Why I don't do Kali

[Garland]

Maybe YOU dont know what you are talking about...

you failed the test, Dumbass. You dont block because its the wrong mindset, you attack the attackers limbs. If you sit back and block you arent hurting him for his trouble, so he will continue to attack you and overwhelm your defenses...aint as smart as ya thought you were, are ya?

blocking a knife in any scenario is pretty risky...even FMA stuff like passing the blade is sketch...but it is better than "blocking a knife"...and perhaps an only option in a worse case, can't run away like a smart person, scenario.

I do Kali...I don't do stupid. (correction, I did stupid, but he had a poor gag reflex, so now he's back on the street.)

[Win0ver]

Maybe YOU dont know what you are talking about...

you failed the test, Dumbass. You dont block because its the wrong mindset, you attack the attackers limbs. If you sit back and block you arent hurting him for his trouble, so he will continue to attack you and overwhelm your defenses...aint as smart as ya thought you were, are ya?

You could bring up an actual argument instead of insults? (How old are you?)

Did you even read what I wrote?

[Eyegouge]

Lemme just say one thing.

I went hunting with one of my highschool buddies back in 2003. We went out into the woods deer hunting. Travis, my highschool buddy spined the deer he shot at. He'd never spined a deer before. Wwhen we approached the buck it was laying there twitching and bleating, blood all over it's back. I almost threw up. Travis started crying and couldn't bring himself to shoot it again. I got really pissed and tried to take his shotgun to kill it myself. He wouldn't let me. I got so sick of the whole situation, I took out my knife, grabbed the buck by the antler and stuck it in the neck. It bleed out and died and eventually Travis got his shit back together and we dragged it out to his truck and took it back to his house.

I never went hunting again. I don't plan on it. I still help my granma butcher pigs, cattle, and chicken in the summer when I got down to springfield and stay with her awhile. I don't enjoy it but it's something some of us have to do. Untill you've punched a knife through a living breathing being you have no idea what it's like. Don't sit here and bitch about why I do or don't use knives. If you have one and your life is on the line, you'll use it.

All you kali, escrima, arnes people. Go to a hog farm, stick a few picks. Butcher some cattle. And then tell me your going to stab, slice and dice whomever fucks with you. I'll bet my left ass cheek not half of you have ever killed anything besides housefly's, mice, and maybe a fish.

[BoarSpear]

You could bring up an actual argument instead of insults? (How old are you?)

Did you even read what I wrote?

yeah sonny i read your post, your FIRST post you jumped into an old conversation and started taking things out of context, i slapped yer little behind back into reality, didnt it take? apparently not...You said BLOCK...you go on out there and block away sonny, its a bad mindset.

[Win0ver]

yeah sonny i read your post, your FIRST post you jumped into an old conversation and started taking things out of context, i slapped yer little behind back into reality, didnt it take? apparently not...You said BLOCK...you go on out there and block away sonny, its a bad mindset.

Again, how old are you?

Yes, my "first" post, like it meant something. We're not all teenagers with no life who post 12 times a day.

And you still state no argument ; why is it a bad mindset?

I might have taken things out of context, but what I said sure is related to reality (unlike you), so you can't have "slapped my little behind into reality".

[BoarSpear]

Again, how old are you?

Yes, my "first" post, like it meant something. We're not all teenagers with no life who post 12 times a day.

And you still state no argument ; why is it a bad mindset?

I might have taken things out of context, but what I said sure is related to reality (unlike you), so you can't have "slapped my little behind into reality".

Lets see, most of the people here know me, Who are you?

Now one last time. As long as you are thinking BLOCK you arent thinking about damaging the guy trying to kill you...thats a bad strategy i didnt say dont defend yourself, i said dont block....The ONLY difference in a block and a strike is INTENT.

yeah jr i do post alot, from the side of my dojo, i teach Martial arts. when i aint actively on the floor DOING martial arts, im on here thinking about 'em and hoping for an intelligent conversation....lately all you new people are rather disappointing. When i need a rest from class, Instead of MA discussions sometimes its just fun talking to all the experts.

[Win0ver]

Lets see, most of the people here know me, Who are you?

How is this relevant?

Now one last time. As long as you are thinking BLOCK you arent thinking about damaging the guy trying to kill you...thats a bad strategy i didnt say dont defend yourself, i said dont block....The ONLY difference in a block and a strike is INTENT.

But if you only think about damaging the other guy you will also get hurt... a lot.

yeah jr i do post alot, from the side of my dojo, i teach Martial arts. when i aint actively on the floor DOING martial arts, im on here thinking about 'em and hoping for an intelligent conversation....lately all you new people are rather disappointing. When i need a rest from class, Instead of MA discussions sometimes its just fun talking to all the experts.

You're talking like you've been on these forums forever.
Oh and how old are you already?

And don't insult my intelligence when you type like a retard.

[Eyegouge]

winover, there is a reason I call the loveable boarspear "geezer" all the time. Drop it man, he's right. "blocking" a knife attack is like blocking a punch with your face, really stupid.

boarspear is knowagable, albeit very argumenative and silly sometimes. He's got this thing for the getting the last word in these forums, so arguing with him is like fighting a tank with a baseball bat. Conceed, make a few intelligent posts and maybe one day he'll say....hey nice post, and you'll fell all warm and fuzzy inside. Untill then, give up and read my sig.... peace

[BoarSpear]

How is this relevant?

i dunno , you asked first, SFB.

But if you only think about damaging the other guy you will also get hurt... a lot.

and you'll be dead Mr "im gonna block his knife attacks"....Ever heard of evading and defanging the snake

You're talking like you've been on these forums forever.
Oh and how old are you already?

didnt we cover this already , boy?

And don't insult my intelligence when you type like a retard.

I cant type... you dont know jack about Edged weapons or thier use.

[Tant01]

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Lemme just say one thing.

I went hunting with one of my highschool buddies back in 2003.....we approached the buck it was laying there twitching and bleating, blood all over it's back. I almost threw up. ....
... I got so sick of the whole situation, I took out my knife, grabbed the buck by the antler and stuck it in the neck. It bleed out and died and eventually ....
I never went hunting again. I don't plan on it. I still help my granma butcher pigs, cattle, and chicken in the summer when I got down to springfield and stay with her awhile. I don't enjoy it but it's something some of us have to do. Untill you've punched a knife through a living breathing being you have no idea what it's like. Don't sit here and bitch about why I do or don't use knives. ....
All you kali, escrima, arnes people. Go to a hog farm, stick a few picks. Butcher some cattle. And then tell me your going to stab, slice and dice whomever fucks with you. I'll bet my left ass cheek not half of you have ever killed anything besides housefly's, mice, and maybe a fish.

Good one... I imagine you'd be right about MOST of us. Not all. I have used a knife for killing critters of small and medium varieties. Pigs, sheep, deer and cows. It takes some doing that I often simply call INTENT! A hammer or a bullet can kill as quick as a blade but the blade is (I think) less traumatic in some ways.

I think it's good for folks that intend to use a knife for potentially deadly force situations to familiarize themselves first hand with this "intent" of the deadly variety. Not only that but the squeamish nauseating feelings that go with it. That will diminish with experience by the way... Also the reality of the mercy in efficiency. It is something to stab a living thing but if you ever practice bleeding your game as I have you must know that cutting the jugular clean is better to depressurize the vascular system. If you ever practice this a BIG sharp and I mean razor SHARP knife works best. It goes in quick with a bit of pressure to cut through the skin and hair and some sawing action or "jiggle" as I sometimes call it. Killing this way is very efficient and a bloody MESS. The idea of blood PRESSURE takes on a reality seldom experienced these days. I mean it squirts out in a fan pattern for several feet or even meters! It is important to understand the REALITY of your intent and the actions that go with it. There is no (like your friend) crying or sorry for the slaughter type thing if that hesitation could mean your own death. You just cut untill you get to the front of the spine. The airway will gurgle, you'll feel the warm sanguinary mess dripping down your arms. You feel it lubricate your grip on the knife before it begins to coagulate and turn sticky like glue... You may well even taste it on your lips.

I have said before that there is more ART in an inkblot than a bloodstain... It's just my opinion for what it's worth but killing with a blade is more realistic than some knife drills you play with a training partner.

Obviously killing a human this way would only apply during wartime under special circumstances (silent killing) and you will never do it like that unless you're a murderer or some crap but still, you intend to cut hands or arms in SD if the situation ever could be justified or like our fellow forum member that did stab a few times to escape serious injury or death. It's quick and easy (If that word can be used here) under stress and in a hurry to keep MOVING away from the threat(s).

Attack is the defence.

[Win0ver]

i dunno , you asked first, SFB.

I asked what? (You definitely make no sense.)

and you'll be dead Mr "im gonna block his knife attacks"....Ever heard of evading and defanging the snake

Refer to my first post ; you aren't likely to expect the first strike.
I'd rather try to block and get my finger cut off than get stabbed in the neck.

didnt we cover this already , boy?

No? (You might want to seek a reading test if you need to ask this. Did you drop out of highschool?)

I cant type... you dont know jack about Edged weapons or thier use.

And your IQ is below average. You make no sense and can't follow a logical argument. You rely on insults instead of responding to my arguments.

[>:)]

I think what he's trying to say winover is that if you took the time to block a strike, that means you had the time to evade it or attack yourself. A.k.a, having to block means you fucked up a little.

[GQchris]

combat is unpleasant, but necessary business...

And Filipino blade work is a worthy skill to learn... them Filipinos know some lethal shiet... I believe Bruce was proficient at this stuff too...

If it will add value to defending myself, or preserving my life, its worthy to learn...

[RenegadeMonk]

All you kali, escrima, arnes people. Go to a hog farm, stick a few picks. Butcher some cattle. And then tell me your going to stab, slice and dice whomever fucks with you. I'll bet my left ass cheek not half of you have ever killed anything besides housefly's, mice, and maybe a fish.

It's true that most people are reluctant to do these things. However, there is a good number of people who have used a knife to kill animals for food, clothing, etc...even if most of us haven't had to do that in our own lives. In the Philippines, killing boars with a knife is also a valid method of training the blade in many places, particularly the rural areas.

Also, I may like to add that people, when their lives are threatened, tend to do some amazing things that they normally wouldn't do. A knife should only be used when your life, your childs life, or your mother's/wife's/sister's/girlfriend's life is in serious danger. If you have a knife and have been trained to use it in a realistic way, and your life or the life of a loved one is in jeopardy, I'll bet you Bill Gates' bank account that your instincts will kick in and you will do whatever it takes to survive, even if that means chopping up the bastard who's trying to kill/rape/kidnap you or your loved one. We FMA'ers aren't training to **** up the jerk at the bar who grabbed your wife's ass and challenged you to a fistfight out in the back alley...we're training to protect our lives and the lives of our loved ones. Personally, if someone lays a hand on my fiancee and my mother and tries to kill/kidnap/rape/torture them, I am sending them to their maker. That's not macho BS, that's just the truth.

Just my two cents. Keep on training.

[danjuandesiga]

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