learning the Knife

[Smith Adams]

I have always benn interested in learning knife techniques. What forms of Marial Arts train the Knife. I am going to be able to train in some Kali or Silat in probably 2 months. Is this my best option. Are their any other styles that yall feel I should look into. What if some one can not find someone to that offers Kali Where to go or look for. It seems kali is pretty rare. I have trained In TKD for ten years, and I am tired of the sport I want something pure.

[szorn]

Knife Training

Check out http://www.hockscqc.com

Hock offers one of the most comprehensive knife courses ever and it's likely that he has an instructor near you. Just check out the "instructor" section of his website.

Hope this helps,
Steve Zorn

[Azis]

If you are considering learning a knife - look into khukuri- not only will you learn a weapon but a complete martial art

[Tom Yum]

Interesting. Here is all that I could come up with about the khukuri from a website.

The khukuri is a 20" blade carried by the Nepalese. It is also said that it is carried with them throughout their whole lives. Some quotes from foreginers who have spent time in the region:

"My khukuri self defense consisted of a strong offense of only three moves -- a head strike, gut strike, or leg strike. I always looked into the eyes of the opponent because they seemed to tell me what he was going to do -- perhaps lucky for me he always ran away. And, I conditioned my thinking to make myself to be willing to trade up -- I would trade a finger for a hand, a hand for an arm, and, of course, an arm for a head."

"As I don't know how much training background you have in stopping determined attackers, I will talk a little bit about how such people are usually stopped along with the khukuri's fighting assets.

1. Severing the spinal column is usually the most reliable way to stop a determined attacker. Whatever is below this area is paralyzed. The neck is the best area as this paralyzes the arms. Because of the curved blade, the khukuri excells at this. Lower hits will cause a person to fall down, thus making them an easier target. The khukuri, as well as any heavy (1+ lbs.) slashing blade does this job very well.

2. Smashing the skull if done with a heavy blow will,at the least, usually stun if not stop an opponent. Howver I don't know how it might affect large animals like bears, etc. But if such an opportunity presents itself, the khukuri will do a good job--as will any heavy blade.

3. Severing or breaking shoulder bones and limbs are also good ways to stop or at least slow down a fight. A severed limb is enough to make any but the toughest, most determined opponent stop. If it doesn't, the loss of blood will lower the blood pressure in 3-4 minutes so that the brain will not receive oxygen, and the oponent will pass out. Smashed bones also disable tactical necessities like hands an feet. The khukuri's curved blade excels at dismemberment. However any sharp heavy blade will do the job also.

3. Making wounds (thrust or slash) that will result in rapid blood loss. Slashing major veins and arteries can be done with any knife, but the heavier and longer the knife, the better. The khukuri's curved blade excells at this. All heavy knives do well also. However one of the most deadly moves in a knife fight is the reverse cut; this is where long heavy Bowie knives and naval cutlasses dominate. A reverse move can also be done with a khukuri, but because of its dull spine, it will only break or smash bone; whereas a heavy double bladed knife can cut deeply and perhaps even can severe a limb.

Thrusting deep into vital organs will also cause severe blood loss. This puts the khukuri at a slight disadvantage. Because the tip is significantly lower that the line of thrust, it is harder to hit the exact spot being aimed at. Again bowie knives, cutlasses, parangs, etc. do this job more easily. However the khukuri is not at such a disadvantage as many think it is. When I spar with others and make a thrust, the point I am aiming at is seldom there as my rubber bladed knife tip makes contact with my adversary's skin. However when I use my real khukuri and quick thrust at a marked point on a box, I find that the point is an inch or so off, whereas while using a straight blade, I almost always hit the spot I aiming for. However in the heat of battle, I think this might be a moot point.

I have also seen khukuris penetrate Level IIA body armor with a hard thrust..."

[Azis]

there are no web sites yet

yes that the site most people go to, but they sell knives and thats their main interest.

There are several khukuri martial arts systems each a complete art that encludes empty hands.

Not as well know as CMA FMA JMA etc..

There are a few threads on dragon list and soon selini108 will have some on line lessons that will give some very basic idea of what the art is like

[szorn]

khukuri

The khukuri is an interesting weapon however it needs to be emphasized that such a weapon is impractical for personal protection based on carry laws of each state. However, if you happen to be in the military I would highly recommend it for it's efficient stopping power.

Steve

[crouton]

check out the Vee Arnis Jitsu site. professor david james teaches knife training. since you are not by a vaj school he does have a couple of great videos on knife training. check them out and good luck in your training

[Airyu]

Hello Mr. Adams,

I would suggest you start by visiting several schools specializing in either Combative systems, or Filipino Martial arts in your area. There are alot of resources available to start you off, here are a two.

https://www.martialartsresource.com/filipino/filframe.htm

https://www.Sayoc.com

Good luck in your search and training. If there is anything I can do to help, let me know.

Gumagalang
Guro Steve L

https://www.Sayoc.com

https://www.Bujinkandojo.net

[Juramentado]

Pekiti Tirsia Kali

[Hakoko]

As far as I am concerned, the two knife systems that I would recommend are:

1) Sayoc Kali The "All Blade All the Time" System.

2) Pekiti Tirsia

You can't go wrong with either of these two blade systems.

[tomek]

I completely agree.
Lucky guys from US - You got almost every kind of knife fighting....

[Smith Adams]

Thanks guys for the input ...
the reason why I am not training right now is that I am coming off a hernia surgery.

One more thing ... Do you guys think this movie "The Hunted" is going to spark some people interested in Kali? Do you think it is good for the system for movies to be made containing alot about Kali,etc.? Or do you think that when they staart to make movies about styles it begins the dilution of its purity?

[Azis]

khukuri
The khukuri is an interesting weapon however it needs to be emphasized that such a weapon is impractical for personal protection <<<


The Khukuri is not just a weapon it is a complete martial art system based on the weapon. The full art includes empty hands. With the Khukuri system small knife fighting is one of many types of weapons that can be used very well.

[moromoro]

Khukuri

where can i get info on this martial art


thanks

terry

[ArchAngel]

The Khukuri is one heck of a weapon and fighting system but have alway's had problem's getting one in my pocket for EDC protection.

Kali, Silat and the similar form's are the way to go.

Need a good training knife and PRACTICE!!!!!

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