one way to solve the issue of "kali"

[thekuntawman]

take a look at what moromoro said

Originally posted by moromoro

As kuntawman has stated its not about the name you can call it KALI all you want thats cool....

and hes right theres plenty of different types of names e.g escrido, Mig-Sune-Do, COJUKA, CAM-MASO.....

Main myth is the kali lapulapu link......

THIS IS THE PROBLEM..... Lucky this doesnt exist in the philippines but it is rampant in america thats to our good pal a JKD master
with all due respect he should do something to correct this...

i think that when dan inosanto realized the information he was givng, such as his dumug, kinomutai and the "kali" story, he should have been man enough to admit that this was a mistake. instead, he continues to tell and allow others to tell the unknowing the false informations.

i consider him an expert in the philippine fighting arts for ability and technique, but NOT philosophy culture and history. and i must say how disappointed i am that he does not wish to set the records straight, that he is not interested to go to the philippines, and that he sticks to the quick certification teaching methods.

but still, as i criticize him, as i said many times, he was one of my first martial arts hero, and my first philippine martial arts hero.

[krys]

Here is further info on Mr. Innosanto from Charles Joussolt, top student of (deceased) G.M. Turpinj of indonesian setia hati terare Silat.

http://www.fisfo.com/english/index.html

the web site is not well done and you'll have to go to -> consult all news, then to -> February 28th,2001 : Dan Inosanto is not that one you believe.....

I do not mean any disrespect, just transmitting a message written by a well respected teacher who introduced me to (indonesian) Silat and gave me (and friends) the motivation to practice seriously martial arts....
Some of his tapes might also be interesting for people working in the security-bodyguard business....


Mabuhay ang filipino Silat at Arnis.

[thekuntawman]

i posted this by mistake to another topic

i dont think anybody is really saying, dont use kali". no one is saying, if you use kali to describe your martial arts your a liar, either.

the debate is when those who know better, call the art "kali" then they say things they know are not true, like

"what i teach is the ancient art of kali, the mother art of eskrima and arnis.."

"kali is unlike arnis and eskrima, because...."

"kali is a more complete arts, unlike arnis and eskrima...."

"my art "predate" eskrima and arnis/prehispanic/etc..."

so what if your art is effective, isnt honesty important? then the people who use the word "kali", including me, should educate people when they come to study this ancienct, more complete, mother art, on the reality of the myth.

and like i said, many filipino teachers will feel better if the correction came from the one who is most well known for promoting the incorrect informations, and at least a pilgrammage to the "mother country" of his blood and his arts origin.