Sayoc Kali/Silak/Bakal; Boston Schools, questions

[macmerc]

From what I have read around the internet, I gather that Sayoc ______ is really a compilation of three systems --> Sayoc Kali (edged), Sayoc Silak (empty hand) and Sayoc Bakal (projectile). When "Sayoc Kali" is mentioned here, is it generally understood to encompass all three ? Does anyone know any very good schools in CT, NY or Boston/Massachusetts (schools in mass are the MOST important to me) that teach all three disciplines (Sayoc Kali, Sayoc Silak and Sayoc Bakal) ? If not, can anyone recommend one that teaches Sayoc Kali (I am most interested in that particular area).
thanks, and sorry for the many P.S.'s to follow,
-->macmerc

P.S. : hello all, first post, glad to be here

P.P.S : I am interested in a (relatively) simple/easy to learn style that encompasses both strong weapons and empty hand aspects, though the weapons are more important to me. If another style other than Sayoc _____ is better suited to this, please let me know. thanks again.

P.P.P.S : at the risk of starting a terrible war, I must ask this question : from a self defense/art efficiency/effectiveness standpoint, would I be correct in assuming the general superiority of the Fillipino arts ? I am not saying they are better than BJJ, MMA, etc. but that they might be better in non-sport application, especially considering the more lethal concentrations.

[Juramentado]

Re: Sayoc Kali/Silak/Bakal; Boston Schools, questions

Originally posted by macmerc

P.P.S : I am interested in a (relatively) simple/easy to learn style that encompasses both strong weapons and empty hand aspects, though the weapons are more important to me. If another style other than Sayoc _____ is better suited to this, please let me know. thanks again.

IMHO,"easy to learn" and "simple" are relative. Some may find a style easy and others may find it difficult. It's really up to the individual.

One style I can recommend is Pekiti Tirsia kali. Like other FMA styles, it emcompasses sticks and knives but emphasizes edged weapons. In fact it's noted for its focus on edge weapons. And it also have a strong empty hand component as well. The Philippine Marines use this style of FMA.

[Sun_Helmet]

Sayoc Kali - NH

Check out sayoc.com
You will see a list of certified active Sayoc Kali instructors at the bottom of the home page.

Sayoc Kali addresses the specific needs of our diverse clientele.

Sayoc Kali also advises the military (reserved only for United States military). However the Sayoc military curriculums, the LEO curriculum, etc, - are ***not*** identical to the civilian curriculum.

Thanks for your interest in Sayoc Kali.
--Rafael Kayanan--

"I've trained with many experts over my 24 years as a Navy SEAL and the information I've found to be the most efficient and well-rounded is the Sayoc Kali knife fighting techniques. You will acquire an exceptional proficiency with a knife beyond anything you thought possible."

Michael Jaco
Originator / Head Instructor for the Navy SEALs Combat Fighting Course

https://www.tacticalawareness.com

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[macmerc]

thanks for the info

thanks for the info, but do you have any idea where I can find a school for Pekiti Tirsia kali, specifically one in Boston/Massachussets, New York or Connecticut ? Also, could you explain more what the difference is between Pekiti Tirsia kali and Sayoc Kali ? Which is the stronger form in your opinion ?
thanks for all info,
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[macmerc]

juramentado : thanks, location of schools ?

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[Juramentado]

Re: thanks for the info

Originally posted by macmerc
thanks for the info, but do you have any idea where I can find a school for Pekiti Tirsia kali, specifically one in Boston/Massachussets, New York or Connecticut ? Also, could you explain more what the difference is between Pekiti Tirsia kali and Sayoc Kali ? Which is the stronger form in your opinion ?
thanks for all info,
-->macmerc

There are a number of Pekit Tirsia groups in those areas. Try the FMA Database

In the interest of not offending anyone, I won't comment on the difference between Pekiti and Sayoc style. But there are differences and surfing around the sites about the two styles and watching some classes will help answer that question.

[macmerc]

thanks again

thanks again. I'm checking the database now.
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P.S. : at the risk of becoming annoying, I will attempt to clarify my question and remove any possibility of offense --> which style has a greater focus on (ie, is more concerned with) blade work ?

[William]

(schools in mass are the MOST important to me)

Greetings,

I just started working with a group just south of Boston, Massachusetts today. You will find my contact info on the FMA Database and can contact me if you like. You are more than welcome to attend.

William

PS: As far as which system is best? Don't take my word for it, and don't take theirs. Experience it for yourself. That is the best way.

[macmerc]

william : does your group have classes ?

when you say "group", do you mean an organized facility, offering classes, etc. or a bunch of guys who get together on an (ir)regular schedule ?
thanks,
-->macmerc

[William]

when you say "group", do you mean an organized facility, offering classes, etc. or a bunch of guys who get together on an (ir)regular schedule ?

Well, if by “organized facility, offering classes”, you mean an official school with a roof and walls with multiple classes a day….no, not at this point. Regular schedule, yes. At this point, class is every Sunday morning at 10:00 a.m. As the group grows I will add more days. Yesterday was the first session that got off to a very good start. We are expecting a few more people next week and I think we got a few spectators interested as well. One gentleman is with the Boston PD and plans on bringing a few more officers to future classes.

I live and run my business out of Rhode Island. Many of my students travel down from Massachusetts. This is a way to make things a bit easier for them, and also spread the system in New England. There is also a very good chance I will be moving up that way in the near future.

For now we are training outside for the summer and will move indoors when the weather starts getting colder. We have also been offered 3000+ sq. feet at a retail center (at no charge I might add) that is in the planning stages right now. If this pans out than we will open an official “school” by next spring/summer.

If you are interested, please contact me privately.

Best regards,
William

[Sun_Helmet]

Schools

As per the subject heading on this thread - My response only relates to your inquiry on Sayoc licensed schools.

If you are serious about the inquiry, my suggestion is to seek out a Sayoc training group or certified school /instructor.

Like William said, only the student can make up for himself which system is suited for that individual. We won't lay any guilt trip on you if you decide to train elsewhere... there's room for everyone.

best,
--Rafael--
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[Airyu]

Hello Macmerc,

Sorry for the delayed response, I have been away on a family vacation for the last two weeks. Anyway, The Bujinkan Dojo, Manchester NH (www.Bujinkandojo.net) does offer a Sayoc Kali class every Thursday at 7:30 pm - 9:00pm, it is listed on our Calendar section, our class schedule will be changing soon and therfore it has not been added to that section of our webpage yet. We also offer Sayoc Kali seminars and special events on a routine basis. So there are plenty of opportunities for great training.

If you need to contact me, feel free to email me at Airyu@hotmail.com, or call the school (603) 668 - 3181, and I'll answer any question you may have regardingour programs.

Gumagalang
Steve Lefebvre
Manager, Bujinkan Dojo, LLC.
Kayan Dalawa Guro Sayoc Kali