Kino mutai - the lost art??

[The_student]

Could some one help me to find some information about this art, I know that Paul vunak have a tape on this topic.

Someone who have some experciens of his tape good/bad?

Are there any other who teach this??

Happy to get all possible info

[Badger]

It really bites.

[99luftbalut]

Originally posted by Badger
It really bites.

Did the training leave a bad taste in your mouth?

[Acitic]

i thought it was alittle over salted myself


I think is sucked

[Thai Bri]

Don't be "lippy" to the guy. You'll "dent(ure)" his enthusiasm. How would you feel to be "gummed" down in your prime? Given a verbal "molaring" by the likes of us lot? Seriously, "tongue in cheek", I think you should "nip" this in the bud. I think I'm being pretty "insicorcive" too. This stuff really "grinds" me down, know what I mean?

[eskrimador]

"the lost art"

hahahhahahahahahah

where do they get this art from......

[Acitic]

hey eskimador??

what do u do?? escrima? Arnis?

my arnis instrutor mixes alot of stuff together

[swan104]

I was sitting here at work (bored as usual) and thinking about various martial art things, and for some reason, this topic of Kino Mutai crept into mind.

As I recall, all the illustrations in Vunaks book, "The Anatomy of a Street Fighting" show the biting techniques in BJJ positions eg. biting ears, nipples etc when in a guard position. If Kino Mutai is a "lost Filipino art", then we can deduce that Kino Mutai is a grappling system that has similar positions to BJJ.

This raises a whole load of questions about the culture and history of Kino Mutai as a martial art. Is Kino Mutai the biting and eye gouging bit, or is the grappling part of it as well?

We all know that biting and eye gouging works at the right place and time. I'm not disputing this. I'm just wondering if Kino Mutai is a martial system, then what does it actually consist of?

If it is not really a system, then why can't we just call it eye gouging and biting within grappling (BJJ)?

[sercuerdas]

it seems to me kino mutai is a sub set. it nneds a vehicle to carry it. in the p.i. it was probably dumog, but vunak uses bjj because he is a jkder, and that is the vehicle he found to work the best.

keep in mind this is all just opinion and i wasn't there.

[NWPTrainer]

Ya know it's funny....I've got Vunak's book...since I collect books on martial arts...

My grandad and dad are both former Detroit cops....My grandad had some YMCA boxing and some Judo training as a kid, as well as Judo in the Air Force in the fifties. My dad had some YMCA boxing and some old school army hand-to-hand when he was in the Army.....Both had a buttload of real world experience when I first started training back in the day...

I remember asking about wrestling and stuff....their answer was always to either stick your thumb in the dude's eyes, or to bite the piss out of him.....

So, first real fight I ever got into with a wrestler.....I reached out and bit the pee-pee out of his leg....JHe squealed and jumped backwards about ten feet....Wow.....I knew an ancient lost Filipino Martial Art, long before Vunak wrote his book.....Man...for a white boy raised in Arkansas (family moved south in the late seventies.), that's pretty damned impressive, eh?

There are no SECRETS!!!

RLTW

[roz]

It is the lost art because of its gruesome. to bite someone is pretty easy, but what happens if your bite is not effective, or simply not timed correctly? not just anybody wants to go around biting someone, but if it comes down to it kino mutai can sure save your skin from being finished off. like an eye gouge, any one can do it, but if properly trained than this can be done faster, more effectivly. almost everyone knows that you can kick someone in the groin and they won't feel it as much, as compared to kicking someone in the groin effectivley. i know because a guy kicked me there once and he kicked me straight at it, no prob for me . but my younger brother kicked me ( up and in ) and he took me out for about 2 minutes grasping for air. he's not even a practioner. goes to show you, aproper way and non-proper way can be applied. so practice makes perfect for when it ever comes down to it. so please do not miss all the heavenly glory

[swan104]

I'm not disputing the effectiveness of a well timed bite/eye gouge etc. They are good "anti-grappling" techniques! My query was just to stimulate a discussion on what Kino Mutai consists of. Is it a system in its own right? If it is Filipino in origin, then how did they do it? Did they use techniques similar to BJJ in holding the person before biting?

Just interested from a cultural perspective!

[roz]

Swan good question. Vunak in his video would tie a slab of meat on someone and put a shirt over them, then he would go thru the ranges till he got in the clinch. he would then take off like a pitt bull, and make a perfect incision on the meat. horrible, and well trained. i can 0nly assume that when the filipinos were taken to the ground, or clinched by thier enemy, then thats when they would use thier last resort which would be biting the piss out of them. as of culture, dono. its like that person said he used to do it long before he heard of kino mutai. kino mutai reminds me of that brazillian beast ( video game ) that would clinch his opponet and gnawl on his neck. funny hope some intellect can come on here and give us some history on this subject.

[LEO]

I grew up in the P.I. Have a a grandad who served in the guerilla resistance in mindanao during ww2..he had alot of stories about raids, one on one combat encounters..he was agreat Kalista..if Kino Mutai ever exsisted as a separate discipline he could have mentioned it to me..coz he mentioned the major Kali names..but not kino mutai..to me personnally it is an invention of the one who taught Vunak for the dough..i really do not agree that Filipino warriors in general do this..we are more valiant than this..as a Kialista as well..please be very careful in accepting terms and tuff that people would say originate from the P.I...unless you yourselves mada a good study about it it..Kali/Arnis/Escrima is a non complex M.A. it's M.A. functional, practical and real.

[roz]

whats wrong with having to bite someone to save your self or to defeat your opponet? there is nothing valiant about losing or is there? I really do not think that when telling stories you would include biting some one, but then maybe so. as for vu. and Dan, in my modest op. Dan has trained with and under countless instructors from the p.i. , which would make him a very knowledgeable person. for anyone to disagree with this - well enough said and sorry for bringing wrong conclusions to this subject and thank you for shedding light.