What is Kali/Silat ?

[allswoledup]

Is this a name of a system of Kali or is a cross between Kali and Silat ?

A school near me teachesInosanto Method ,but the owner is out of town at this time.

[Juramentado]

Kali is the ancient name for the Filipino Martial Arts aka arnis or escrima.

Silat is an indonesian martial art.

although both arts have some similarities, they are different.

I guess the "kali/silat" term denotes classes in either kali or silat.

I think the inosanto method is the style of FMA taught by Dan Inosanto. I've never seen any of it so I can't make a comment on it. Best to wait for some feedback from a member that has studied this style.

[William]

Check out Kruzada's post comparing Inosanto Kali to other systems.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?threadid=8981

Essentially Inosanto Kali is a mix of systems (Lacoste and others).
It can be well rounded but it really depends on how much the instructor has devoted to learning the system. As I stated in the other thread, some do, others concentrate more on the JKDC and the Kali side is limited. It just varies from instructor to instructor.


William

[krys]

I was for a year a student of a so called Kali silat system in France: a mix of bad arnis and bad silat.


Kali isn't the name of the ancient filipino martial arts.
Silat was practiced originally in the Philippines for a very long time by the Sama, Tausug, Yakan tribes and these peoples don't know Kali.
There are also other less known southern filipino martial arts......
Silat can be found in whole SEA not ONLY in Indonesia..... Filipino silat has NOTHING to envy to Indonesian silat......



Mabuhay ang filipino Silat at Arnis.

[William]

Kali isn't the name of the ancient filipino martial arts....Yakan tribes and these peoples don't know Kali.

Krys,

Are you loading up the car to go down this road again?

Seems like we just got back from that trip not too long ago. We all had a good time, we argued for hours, a few people got hurt, a few got kicked out, we got stains on the seat, and in the end, nothing got resolved. We all felt like the journey should have ended up somewhere else. That's what happens when you pile a bunch of people into a station wagon and everyone is dead set that it should go somewhere different.

We can all pile in again, but we won't end up anywhere together (unless we can agree to disagree)


William

[krys]

My intention is not to start the war again.....
Just to make the point that Arnis-Escrima-Kali are not the only martial arts of the Philippine islands...... there exist (maybe older) arts: silat, kuntao, supring, bangkoy........

Some people tend to think that silat is an indonesian art, this is not true as it is common to all south east asia.... one indonesian silat GM wanted to make this point not so long ago in the Philippines, his opinion quickly changed after he fought with a local GM.

Mabuhay ang filipino Silat at Arnis.

[allswoledup]

The answer to my kali/silat question ?

The kali-silat course is a mixed course at this school where the instructor integrates"CONCEPTS" from both into a course in a jeet kun do fashion.He also stated that there isn't much difference between the two?

The guy would show a technique,then let the students teach each other while he looked with a timer set?

Needless to say I thought this school was nothing more than a club for people to meet and play with "concepts" and just plain have something to do,or to "attend"

I really was very dissapointed in this school,In my own words,"It was a joke"

And for what you paid it was very much laughable.

[William]

Wow! Sorry to hear that man.

A timer? Really?

Before I start a training session, I'll jot down a few notes on the principles that I want to cover for that session. You know how often I cover those notes exactly? Almost never. I start out with one thing, then depending on how well people are picking it up, I'll either keep training that principle till they get it, or go off on related tangents that I think will help them understand and bring them back to the original principle or drill. Heck, I'll have them go two hours just on striking mechanics or footwork alone if they are having trouble picking it up.

A timer? Really?

I always say the session will go at least an hour. 98% of the time it goes two plus hours. Once I get started I'll just keep going. I had to get in the habit of asking the group if they can handle anymore. Yes...we keep going. No....ok, one more thing and we'll call it good.

A timer? Really?

As I said, hit & miss.

You have quite a few very good Pekiti-Tirsia groups in Texas. Mandala Tim Waid is the North American director for PTK, he's in the Dallas/FT Worth area. Give your local Pekiti-Tirsia folks a call, and shoot over to Dallas occasionally to hook up with Mandala Waid and you'll be set. It should be the diffrence between night and day.

Best of luck,

William

[allswoledup]

It was very much so night an day !

I in search of a school attended the 3 main schools that offer Kali and found the Pekita-Tersia group to me very good and instruction.
Classes were small,student oriented and actually had a set fashion: core principals,stick+knife,then empty hands make up a course of one class.

Best of all,no guy standing by a timer watching me teach myself.

This dude gives Dan Inosanto a bad name.

I saw in the Kali class that I will attend that one of the principals was triangular movment.

I see this is something that Robert Torres has introduced in his Talio Silat.

Is this just applying something to an art,giving it a catchy name and calling it something new ?

[William]

My intention is not to start the war again..... Just to make the point that Arnis-Escrima-Kali are not the only martial arts of the Philippine islands...... there exist (maybe older) arts: silat, kuntao, supring, bangkoy........

Just checking. Point taken.

(and I had the cooler loaded and ready to go. )



William

[William]

I in search of a school attended the 3 main schools that offer Kali and found the Pekita-Tersia group to me very good and instruction. Classes were small,student oriented and actually had a set fashion: core principals,stick+knife,then empty hands make up a course of one class.

Standards are high and you WILL WORK it until it's ingrained. And best of all, no dude standing there with a timer......I'm still blown away by the image of that.


I saw in the Kali class that I will attend that one of the principals was triangular movment.

Yes, that's getting at the core, everything builds off of that.


I see this is something that Robert Torres has introduced in his Talio Silat. Is this just applying something to an art,giving it a catchy name and calling it something new ?

I can't comment on that as I am not familiar with his Talio Silat. I'd have to have a look at it.


William

[haumana2000]

The problem is that some instructors will teach seminar based material but does not have the core foundation from which to build upon. Now, the only way I can see using the timer is if he's playing a coaching approach, with the drill or technique being a stamina oriented activity like sparring for rounds,. The problem you run into sometimes with that approach, is that also is a conduit for learning improper form. precision excercises are not meant to be taught as anearobic.

[allswoledup]

The instructor lookes as if he has given up a long time ago

This guy said he had a day job and that this was just something he did on the side,but it looked as if he should look for a new hobby cause he seemed to not be having that much fun at his side job.

The price,quality of instruction,classes offered and set up was just night and day in comparison between the two schools I visited that evening.

The school I figured to be the well,most pricey ended up being the cheapest,best,and best fit for what I'm looking for when I spend my money since I'm a tight asz.

The only negative I'd say was to get a decent rate you must sign a contract.

But this contract is a better deal then the no contract schools I attended,so go figure?

[hybrid1]

You can check out www.kalisilat.com for more info on it.

[HITJKD]

William, could you please give us a brief overview of the Pekiti-Tirsia system? I am going to be moving in the near future and will have access to a PTI school and am curious about the focus and direction I would find in a PTI school. Thanks in advance.