Something Controversial

[Keeper]

Hi Guys

Although I've i've been carrying some form of 'penknife' since I was a kid, I'm some what new to the knife fighting world. But instantly, I saw something I don't agree with.

I'm aware of these different brands of knife like Cold Steel and Emerson etc. And I see all these different designs and models of blades, different kinds of hardness of steel etc. And I can also see prices going over $1000. And frankly.... I think it's bullshit.
And how about these fancy names they give them with apparent 'model numbers' like 'CQC mach 10 15-MKB issue 7' or something ridiculous like that. As if it were a firearm or something. I mean, what's the point?

What if you don't have the knife on your person when you're being attacked? We all know about improvising weapons in a self defense situation. Just imagine... you got some $2000 combat folder knife, it's hardened/tempered steel, has some rubberized super-grip handle thingy, the cutting edge is diamond coated and it was handmade by some village warrior in Indonesia bla bla bla. So what? If I had to, i'm sure I could achieve similar results in an SD situation with a broken piece of glass I found on the floor. Maybe not the same results, sure... I mean the encounter would become a hell of a lot more messy for both combatants, but I know I could achieve the same results with my own knife. It cost me £12.00, the handle is just hard plastic and has a crack in it from when I dropped it, the steel is 440 handmade in Italy - which is nice - but I couldn't give two craps. The blade is pointy and sharp-ish, it locks out when I open it.... what more could I ask for? The pointy end goes in the other guy. Simple.

I could go a lot further than this, but I'm sure you fellas get my point. Obviously this will stir it up a little, but I can assure you I don't want to offend anybody personally.

Happy training guys, and keep it real

Keeper

[Thai Bri]

Controversial?

Man, you spelt "b o r i n g " wrong.

[Keeper]

Well, I wasn't trying to entertain anybody Bri

[William]

I really don't keep on top of all the latest knife trends. What's most important to me is that it has a strong lock (if its a folder), it holds it's edge, and most importantly, it feels "right" in my hand. I can't tell you how many of the latest "hi-tech knife of the week" that I've held in my hand and thought it just felt wrong. Obviously that's more of a personal feeling than a technical one....but still extremely important.
Actually, one of my favorite blades is the CRKT Bear Claw. And at only $25.00 it's a steal. I posted a short write up on it in the "Knife" thread. It's a small inexpensive knife with huge capabilities.

http://www.defend.net/deluxeforums/showthread.php?threadid=5500&perpage=15&pagenumber=4

Bottom line though, you are correct. You don't have to spend big money to get something that will do the job. If it cuts and sticks...it works. A Toyota will get you to the same destination as a Jag (though you may think you LOOK cooler in the Jag). They both get the job done.



William

[Juramentado]

i think your point is valid. Although I admire and appreciate a good knife, I also think that there's a point where all the techno wizardry in these fancy blades is just hype.

As along as it's sharp and won't fail catastrophically on you (like having a folding knife snap closed on your fingers), what you have on you in a SD situation will be sufficient. It sure beats not having anything.

But just to speak for the knife fans, I think a lot of them look beyond SD when buying a knife. Knives are also tools and as such you want one that won't break when you use it. That's when the specs matter. you want hardness, edge retention and other features.

If one were to spend that money on a really good knife, it would also be smart to time and money learning to use it properly. A US$300 knife will be worth more if you some idea about how to use in a SD situation.

just my 2 cents...

[Keeper]

Thanks for your reply Juramentado. I agree with you about the knife also being a tool. When it comes to survival tools specificly, I personaly would invest in the best equipment possiple. I don't know how many folks out there look being the fighting aspect though. As we're all aware there are plenty of guys out there that just by the fancy weapons because they think it will make them dangerous lol

William, I always enjoy reading your posts. I actually learned a few things from your posts on the thread you mentioned

Thanks guys

[bushidoseishin]

I would tend to agree with you on your opinions with one exception. The Emerson Commander!

This knife has a little hook on it that grabs the corner of your pocket when it's pulled and opens it without assistance from the person pulling it. It adds that little edge on speed when needed.

[William]

Keeper:

Just trying to help out where I can.



William

[Juramentado]

Originally posted by bushidoseishin
I would tend to agree with you on your opinions with one exception. The Emerson Commander!

This knife has a little hook on it that grabs the corner of your pocket when it's pulled and opens it without assistance from the person pulling it. It adds that little edge on speed when needed.

If I'm not mistaken, that's called the Wave and is one of those innovations that's not hype. It's very useful in a SD situation and could mean the difference in such an encounter. So that goes up on my list of knife innovations that are worth something.

[adacas]

I don't understand why anybody really needs a $300 dollar knife. I have a Maxam folder that I bought on ebay for $3 dollars that works just fine for me. It opens well depending on how I adjust the tension bolt and if it goes dull I just sharpen it. I also have a knife that hangs from your kneck and when you need it just pull. The only people who break knife are those that abuse them and use them for things like screwdrivers, hammers, keys to your motocycle and yes I have seen it...garage door openers. Thats where you will need to fork out the extra $295 for state of the art stainless steel made in some hightech laboratory. Although I must confess that I have a longing for the knife featured in the movie THE HUNTED. Its called the Tracker and it retails for $300 dollars. Perhaps I can get someone with a grinder to make one out of a lawnmower blade.

[William]

BTW,

You can get a Bear Claw/La Griffe trainer (and a lot of other goodies) at:

https://www.szaboinc.com

Some interesting (and yes, some expensive) stuff.

The trainer is great for getting the feel for handling and manipulating the Bear Claw without cutting up your training partners. It also makes a pretty good SD tool in and of itself.


William

[fgbkali]

if you want the knife from the hunted I could make you a copy for how ever you wish to spend on one and shipping costs I can and probibly will be using the same tools that benicio del toro used though you would have to answer some detialed questions like do you want the vine wrapped handle personalized dimentions etc I have made quite a few knives over the years and I love the hunted lol it sure annoyed the portland community lol must have for any late eve after hard training besides I think I might get the inititive to make a pair and keep one for meself as well you know you can never have too many knives I have a bowie a dagger a tanto style a butterfly a oldtymer sharp tooth skinner munuis the pastic handle and a hand made new sheith as well as 2 machetes but if I was to use any I would get the hand made Bear knife that I made quite a few years ago solid steel with no hilt the tang is the handle its been there done that and lets me wear the tshirt out side the coffin still lol few have seen it except for my teacher and he wanted to try it out on me but its hard not to be wary of a blade that close to you insead of in your hand excepting the old timer and the Bear knife none of my knives have cost more than $20 though one should know how to spot a good knife from trash its not hard just attention to the knifes detials

[adacas]

sweeeeet. I would definetly be interested in that. Im a little tight on money hence my cheap yet depedable knives. as for the details of the personalized dimensions i would not know what to do. I do have this though. Tom Brown Tracker Knife that is pretty cool though. I would like to know more. I'm a big fan of sharp objects.

[fgbkali]

well I am gonna compare this knife with the dvd and this I can say teh tom brown edition is just a problem with the handel thats the only part I couldnt replicate I can drill holes for you to use the material of your choice but the knife in the movie dosent look anything like that lots rougher teh old leaf spring is actually a really good steel to use age is good for steel I just need to find an old leaf spring and a large chunk for a anvil and the poor mans forge is up and running the example you sent me can be made from plate steel and a grinder or belt sander other than cutting out the pattern and cutting the notches for teh saw on the backstrap if I forge it it will have black scale so noneed to figure out the finish I usually just use leather wrapps for teh handle if and wen it is shipped I will use duct tape to protect the edgswell drop me a line and lets chat some time you got yahoo?


Tom Brown's 'Tracker'
Length Overall 11 7/8"
Length Blade 4 1/4”
Draw Knife 2 1/8"
Saw 2 1/2"
Thickness Blade 1/4”
Weight 1 lb 12 oz
Blade Steel 1095 High Carbon Alloy Rc 58
Blade Color Black Traction Coating
Handle Material Black Linen Micarta®
Sheath Material Kydex heavy duty LBE
Price $299.00
Designer Tom Brown, Jr.
Product Category Combat/Sportsman
Mfg. Handcrafted in the USA
*Each knife individually numbered with a serial number


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[adacas]

hey that is ultra cool. I assume you mean yahoo messenger. yeah my screen name is adacas22.