Karate ain't so bad

[Thai Bri]

I am. If it ain't 22-2, it just ain't Kung Fu.

[sherwinc]

I am. If it ain't 22-2, it just ain't Kung Fu.

Correction: (Estimated Ratio)

hit ratio of 2:22 (Non-KungFu versus KungFu)

hit ratio of 12:12 (Non-KungFu versus Non-KungFu)

hit ratio of 12:12 (KungFu versus KungFu) same style

hit ratio of 12:12 (KungFu versus KungFu) other kungfu style vs other kungfu style

hit ratio of 2:22 (Commercialized or Fake KungFu versus Non-commercialized KungFu) other kungfu style vs other kungfu style

hit ratio of 2:22 (Commercialized or Fake KungFu versus Non-Kungfu)
Non-KungFu will be the winner.......

Note:
(Assuming all fighters are all non-commercialized types of martial artists and an equal long years of learning)

[Thai Bri]

Why not just say a ratio of 1-11?

[sherwinc]

Why not just say a ratio of 1-11?

it is not actually accurate as 2:22 but the mostly, the ratio of hit is 2:22, 2:20, 4:16, 3:17, 1:11, etc......

what i mean is - kungfu will always hit his opponent plenty of times compare to other arts that requires only 6 months of training

since other arts thier techniques is only an ADDITION type.....

while kungfu - we are into MULTIPLICATION type of techniques.......

like the 26 letters of the English Alphabets yet we can speak/write into millions of words and sentences without prearrange type of scenario, just goes out naturally......

[Broadsword2004]

Sherwinc, I am just responding to your post about karate being all the same with kung fu having many many different style,s you ever think why? Because kung fu is a term used to refer to every martial art of China. If a singular word was used to refer to every martial art of Japan, then they'd be just as varied. KARATE IS BUT ONE MARTIAL ART OF JAPAN. It is not a term used to refer to every martial art of Japan, the way kung fu is a generic term for every martial art of China. Japan's martial arts may not be as varied in terms of the number of denominations as the Chinese arts, but in terms of fighting, the Japanese arts are just as varied as the Chinese arts. The Japanese have multiple staff and sword-fighting arts, as well as karate, aiki-jutsu, the styles of jujutsu, for swords alone there is aikido, aikijutsu, iaido, iaijutsu, katori shinto ryu, kendo, kenjutsu, kogen itto-ryu, ninjutsu, shindo muso-ryu, shinkendo, etc...there are all the kobudo weapons, the weapons of the ninja clans, the multiple weapons of the samurai, archery, etc...granted, some weapons of the Japanese arts are shared by the Chinese arts, because the Japanese arts borrowed from the Chiense arts and are not as old as many Chinese arts. The point I am making is not to say Japanese arts are as varied as the Chinese arts in diciplines, but to say that kung fu outsodes karate because kung fu has so many more different styles; good grief, that is like saying, the Filipino arts are way better than boxing because boxing is all the same, whereas Filipino arts have many different variations. Of course they do, they are multiple martial arts, boxing is one art. Same with kung fu and karate. Karate is one art, with different branches, but in general, all karate is essentially the same. Kung fu is all the various Chinese martial arts. Kung fu is not one single martial art of China that also has its own branches.

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc, I am just responding to your post about karate being all the same with kung fu having many many different style,s you ever think why? Because kung fu is a term used to refer to every martial art of China. If a singular word was used to refer to every martial art of Japan, then they'd be just as varied. KARATE IS BUT ONE MARTIAL ART OF JAPAN. It is not a term used to refer to every martial art of Japan, the way kung fu is a generic term for every martial art of China. Japan's martial arts may not be as varied in terms of the number of denominations as the Chinese arts, but in terms of fighting, the Japanese arts are just as varied as the Chinese arts. The Japanese have multiple staff and sword-fighting arts, as well as karate, aiki-jutsu, the styles of jujutsu, for swords alone there is aikido, aikijutsu, iaido, iaijutsu, katori shinto ryu, kendo, kenjutsu, kogen itto-ryu, ninjutsu, shindo muso-ryu, shinkendo, etc...there are all the kobudo weapons, the weapons of the ninja clans, the multiple weapons of the samurai, archery, etc...granted, some weapons of the Japanese arts are shared by the Chinese arts, because the Japanese arts borrowed from the Chiense arts and are not as old as many Chinese arts. The point I am making is not to say Japanese arts are as varied as the Chinese arts in diciplines, but to say that kung fu outsodes karate because kung fu has so many more different styles; good grief, that is like saying, the Filipino arts are way better than boxing because boxing is all the same, whereas Filipino arts have many different variations. Of course they do, they are multiple martial arts, boxing is one art. Same with kung fu and karate. Karate is one art, with different branches, but in general, all karate is essentially the same. Kung fu is all the various Chinese martial arts. Kung fu is not one single martial art of China that also has its own branches.

why is it that in Karate:
whether it is GojuRyu, ShotokanRyu, ShorinRyu, etc........ they have the common moves like:
1. Hard movement/execution of attacks....
2. Step by step or Pause by Pause (meaning, linear movement)
3. All Karate do tensions on their most executions.....
4. All Karate have the common attacks such as Reverse punch, U-punch, alternate punch, double punch, shuto chop, especially downward block, upward block, inside block, especially also the back stance, all kinds of stance are they have common resemblance......
5. Karate whatever types of Karate is still a Karate....

while in KungFu:
whether it is Southern Praying Mantis, PaKua, PlumFlowerFist, Buddha's Fist, Scorpion Style, etc....... they have none common moves like:
1. Soft Styles others are Hard Styles.....
2. Internal Styles others are External Styles....
3. Shaolin Styles others are Taoist Forms of KungFu's......
4. Northern Styles others are Southern Styles......
5. Animal Category others are Human Category while others are Scientific Category......
6. Pecking movements others are Clawings, others are Traumatic Knuckles.....
7. Iron Palms others are Poison Hands
8. Flight Fighting Category, others are GroundFighting Category
9. While others are Stillness, others are Moving from Stance to Stance.....
10. Single Styles, while other are combination of 5-Styles or Multiple styles....In Science - it is no longer called an Element but a Compound.....
11. Not to mention those advance WEAPONRY LEVELS OF KUNGFU serves as an extension of hands......
12. Extremely more to compare..............

[brokenelbow]

it is not actually accurate as 2:22 but the mostly, the ratio of hit is 2:22, 2:20, 4:16, 3:17, 1:11, etc......

What kind of fighting philosophy is it that you even get the chance to hit someone 22 times? Might be time to get some power behind those hits.

[Broadsword2004]

Sherwinc, you missed my point entirely, karate is but one martial art, the kung fu arts are completely different chinese martial arts. So the argument kinda is invalid. You can't compare kung fu and karate because kung fu is multiple martial arts, not different versions of one art. Karate is just one art.

[sherwinc]

Sherwinc, you missed my point entirely, karate is but one martial art, the kung fu arts are completely different chinese martial arts. So the argument kinda is invalid. You can't compare kung fu and karate because kung fu is multiple martial arts, not different versions of one art. Karate is just one art.

Right!!!!!

thanks, i agree with it......

[sherwinc]

What kind of fighting philosophy is it that you even get the chance to hit someone 22 times? Might be time to get some power behind those hits.

Learn non-commercialized KungFu arts and you will truely CONVINCED........

i just want you to discover it on your own ways...... a time will come and you will remember what i said......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

What kind of fighting philosophy is it that you even get the chance to hit someone 22 times? Might be time to get some power behind those hits.

I did the math before, taken that an average boxer will be able to land 2 punches in around a second, the would do 22 in the same time, there will be no power in them at that speed, it is a ratio based on nothing but a vaque theory once told by a teacher and believed wholheartly, without any prove
who can do 1200 punches a minute? I never heard about anyone
I dare them to even move their hand up and down 5 cm for 1 minute, I can assure you it won't be anything near 1200 times ( counting up and down as 2 thus compensating for only using one hand)

I think somewhere along the line someone turned it around, the saying was " where a boxer needs only 2 strikes to knock you out, a KF person will need 22"
Sherwinc is just the forummaster of placing things in the wrong context

Also instead of seeing say 3 techniques with 8 variations he rather sees, 24 seperate techniques thus thinking that his KF has thousands of techniques as aposed to others having maybe around one hundred
Karate for instance uses a base of 4 kicks( front, roundhouse, side and back kick), the rest are variations and combinations of those
KF teaches every technique seperate, this overcompllicates things
It like if you discribe something unknown, it goes faster when you compare it to something that is alrady known
Lets say you have to descibe a raadiotower that looks a lot like the eifeltower, it would take much longer describing it's form than just saying it looks like the eifeltower except this and that is different

[sherwinc]

Misinterpretations......

I did the math before, taken that an average boxer will be able to land 2 punches in around a second, the would do 22 in the same time, there will be no power in them at that speed, it is a ratio based on nothing but a vaque theory once told by a teacher and believed wholheartly, without any prove
who can do 1200 punches a minute? I never heard about anyone
I dare them to even move their hand up and down 5 cm for 1 minute, I can assure you it won't be anything near 1200 times ( counting up and down as 2 thus compensating for only using one hand)

misinterpretations......

it doesnt matter if how many minutes/hours the sparring stops, but what i mean is the total overall scores is 2:22

for example:

the sparring between a Boxer and a KungFu Student lasts at 3 minutes........

The Boxer attack the KungFu Student 30 hand attacks overall.....
The KungFu Student intercepts the Boxers 28 hand attacks but at least 2 of its hand attacks landed unto KungFu Students body.... making it the Boxer have a total of 30 overall hand attacks.......

while.....

The KungFu Student attack the Boxer 30 hand attacks overall.....
The Boxer intercepts the KungFu Student 8 hand attacks but at least 22 of its hand attacks landed unto Boxers body and head...... making it the KungFu Student have a total of 30 overall hand attacks......

this is what i mean..... cause its hard for me to type it in English......

I think somewhere along the line someone turned it around, the saying was " where a boxer needs only 2 strikes to knock you out, a KF person will need 22"
Sherwinc is just the forummaster of placing things in the wrong context

Also instead of seeing say 3 techniques with 8 variations he rather sees, 24 seperate techniques thus thinking that his KF has thousands of techniques as aposed to others having maybe around one hundred
Karate for instance uses a base of 4 kicks( front, roundhouse, side and back kick), the rest are variations and combinations of those
KF teaches every technique seperate, this overcompllicates things
It like if you discribe something unknown, it goes faster when you compare it to something that is alrady known
Lets say you have to descibe a raadiotower that looks a lot like the eifeltower, it would take much longer describing it's form than just saying it looks like the eifeltower except this and that is different

i give you a nearest example:

the comparison between a computer and a typewriter:

TYPEWRITER: (Non-KungFu martial arts)
1. the typewriter function is strictly only for inputing text into the paper and nothing more.......

while....

COMPUTER: (KungFu)
1. One of its functions is to inputing text unto the paper to preview first
before printing (so, computer has an advantages)
a. Bubble Jet, Inkjet, Deskjet Style
a.1 Epson Style
a.2 Cannon Style
a.3 Hp Style
a.4 Lexmark Style
b. Dot Matrix Style
b.1 epson style
c. Laser Jet Style
c.1 Kyocera Style
c.1 HP Style
2. Can Scan Pictures and upload as JPG format stored for later used.....
a. Cannon Style
3. Can record movies, sounds while the typwriter cant......
a. CDWriter
b. DVDWriter
c. CDX Software
4. etc...... and do i need to mention those thousands of great unique usage of the computer?????????


Computers has many options compare to typewriters
KungFu has many options compare to Non-kungfu (eg. boxing)

Note:
if option 1 is starting stupid you still have many options to choose.......

thus....

computers will normally defeat typewriters
KungFu will normally defeat non-kungfu martial arts........

type writer(non-kungfu) is 6 months to learn
computers (kungfu)is a 4 year course to learn and it is not enough......

typewriter (non-kungfu) is heavy to carry
while laptop computer (kungfu)is a portable type......

[Toudiyama[NL]]

misinterpretations......

it doesnt matter if how many minutes/hours the sparring stops, but what i mean is the total overall scores is 2:22

for example:

the sparring between a Boxer and a KungFu Student lasts at 3 minutes........

The Boxer attack the KungFu Student 30 hand attacks overall.....
The KungFu Student intercepts the Boxers 28 hand attacks but at least 2 of its hand attacks landed unto KungFu Students body.... making it the Boxer have a total of 30 overall hand attacks.......

while.....

The KungFu Student attack the Boxer 30 hand attacks overall.....
The Boxer intercepts the KungFu Student 8 hand attacks but at least 22 of its hand attacks landed unto Boxers body and head...... making it the KungFu Student have a total of 30 overall hand attacks......

this is what i mean..... cause its hard for me to type it in English......

now you could have proved that you were able to punch more often than a boxer bur his you can not prove until you really go against a real boxer
Until then it stay just an outragious claim, nothing more then that

i give you a nearest example:

the comparison between a computer and a typewriter:

TYPEWRITER: (Non-KungFu martial arts)
1. the typewriter function is strictly only for inputing text into the paper and nothing more.......

while....

COMPUTER: (KungFu)
1. One of its functions is to inputing text unto the paper to preview first
before printing (so, computer has an advantages)
a. Bubble Jet, Inkjet, Deskjet Style
a.1 Epson Style
a.2 Cannon Style
a.3 Hp Style
a.4 Lexmark Style
b. Dot Matrix Style
b.1 epson style
c. Laser Jet Style
c.1 Kyocera Style
c.1 HP Style
2. Can Scan Pictures and upload as JPG format stored for later used.....
a. Cannon Style
3. Can record movies, sounds while the typwriter cant......
a. CDWriter
b. DVDWriter
c. CDX Software
4. etc...... and do i need to mention those thousands of great unique usage of the computer?????????


Computers has many options compare to typewriters
KungFu has many options compare to Non-kungfu (eg. boxing)

Note:
if option 1 is starting stupid you still have many options to choose.......

thus....

computers will normally defeat typewriters
KungFu will normally defeat non-kungfu martial arts........

type writer(non-kungfu) is 6 months to learn
computers (kungfu)is a 4 year course to learn and it is not enough......

typewriter (non-kungfu) is heavy to carry
while laptop computer (kungfu)is a portable type......

so it takes you 4 years to be able to type a letter, which was the point of the excercise whereas the others can write a letter in 6 months
After these years of training, you will know the ins and outs of the computer, but it won't help you typing a letter any faster, the people using only the typewriter will be able to type faster and with less mistakes then you

Conclusion, contactMA, heck any non KF will be more proficient in fighting
You just proved what everybody is already telling you, KF teaches you to much stuff that isn't benificial for fighting even though it might help you in other pats of life
Now is someone who trained on the typewriter would switch to a PC but only use the wordprocessor, they might need a few months to understand the ins and outs of that but then they will annihilate you who first wanted to learn everything about the computer, know everything about API's, kernel, IDE, SCSI, OSI layersDybanic Link Libraries, overlays, pixelshaders, pipelines, hypertransport etc etc etc

Oh I have another outragious claim, which is just as unsubstanciated as yours: A boxers punch has a powerratio of 50:1 compared to real trad KF, do the math now
I would say nonb KF has about 5:1 chance of beating you

[guy incognito]

So what your saying is that in a fight to the death between a computer and a typewriter that computer will be the winner! What about the fact the a typewriter will work without electricity because it is simpler? Anyone who hasnt put in the apropriate amount of training will receive a hit ratio of 22:2. Example they will get their but handed to them regardless of wether they are a non-kung fu or a boxer or grappler etc.

[jubaji]

So what your saying is that in a fight to the death between a computer and a typewriter that computer will be the winner! What about the fact the a typewriter will work without electricity because it is simpler? Anyone who hasnt put in the apropriate amount of training will receive a hit ratio of 22:2. Example they will get their but handed to them regardless of wether they are a non-kung fu or a boxer or grappler etc.

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