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  • #76
    how about Martial Arts WEAPONRY?

    Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
    No it didn't, you only pointed out the same thing over and over (your Thin air argument)

    BTW ask this artist painter to paint your shed, he probably wont be able to do a good job ask him to paint a painting and yes he can do that, ask a kata oriented karateka to fight in a full contact fight and he will probably not do a good job, ask him to fight in his own competition and he might do perfectly

    I'm not the sharpest tool? maybe but your a blunt instrument

    A pilot training virtually, in you mind is the same as flying, and shooting targets is the same as shooting a person but not hitting hard with attacks to the head is defenately not the same as fighting

    BTW the tread was suppose to point out that karate CAN be used effectively providing the karateka is open minded and knows when what where to change
    There are karateka that do good in MMA events so therefore it can't be all bad, but you are so stuck on bashing karate and other TMA's that you can't even give it that little credit

    You are like a Cardinal or Bishop claiming condoms will not protect you against AIDS, you know better but it doesn't fit your purpose ( discrediting karate making shure noone starts in it)
    Even in Martial Arts Weaponry:

    Karate have only Samurai Sword and nothing more....

    There is no Martial Art Weaponry in Tae Kwon Do....

    but....

    In KungFu.... we have Sword, Sabers, twin broadswords, trisectional staff, twin hooked swords, monk spade, 9-sectional whip, golden fire wheels, TangLang Killing Fan Play, twin short knife, Chang Be To, rope dart, bench, iron flute, tonfa, nine rings broadsword, pakua broadsword, 8-slash knives, etc., etc., etc., many more than meets the eye.....
    And each of the KungFu weapons has it own unique martial application and advantages. And KungFu weapons serves as an extension of a hand attacks.

    Note:
    In KungFu - the way you swing/use your weapons depends upon the way your Kata. That is the reason why Kata in KungFu is very important, each of every kata movements in kungfu has it own purpose 6 or more applications that is unknown to every non-kungfu martial arts.

    While....

    Karate Kata is useless and Tae Kwon Do Kata is the most worst than Karate Kata.

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    • #77
      He sherwinc go spam the Chinese forum

      You don't know shit about karate

      Karate is not related to any other japanese MA, there are no samuraiswords in it


      appart from that, training with those weapons is the most useless training there is in regards of learning how to fight

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      • #78
        This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum. And that is REALLY saying something - "A pilot training virtually, in you mind is the same as flying, and shooting targets is the same as shooting a person but not hitting hard with attacks to the head is defenately not the same as fighting"

        You idiot. I didn't say simulated flying was like fighting. I said that simulated flying was a good training tool for real flying. Same with the simulated shooting. And they parallel us training with punchbags/pads etc. to be good training tools for real fighting!

        And that last bit is a gem "but not hitting hard with attacks to the head is defenately not the same as fighting".

        I know that! I'mnot the one saying that Karate flicky kicky contact, and Karate Kata, is good for real fight training! You're disproving your own point and are to stooooopid to know it!

        HAW HAW HAW!!!!!

        ps - I know I've repeated myself. Its hard not to when you rebut an argument, and then see the same argument made again with no rebuttal to the rebuttal! If you know what I mean.

        pps -I didn't say rebuttals are the same as hitting to the head.... Doh! You ARE the Homer Simpson of the forum! Haw haw haw!

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Thai Bri
          This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this forum.

          hmmm.......I don't know have you read sherwinc's posts

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          • #80
            Originally posted by sherwinc
            Even in Martial Arts Weaponry:
            Karate have only Samurai Sword and nothing more....
            There is no Martial Art Weaponry in Tae Kwon Do....


            have you ever been to any japanese, korean or okinowan karate dojo. these styles are complete with traditional weapons. This is definately the dumbist thing you have posted. I studied wingchun and Tai chiand what you say makes no sense.

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            • #81
              I no longer read what that twit writes...... So Toutyfruity still gets the award!

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              • #82
                another correction for your pleasure.....

                Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
                He sherwinc go spam the Chinese forum

                You don't know shit about karate

                Karate is not related to any other japanese MA, there are no samuraiswords in it


                appart from that, training with those weapons is the most useless training there is in regards of learning how to fight
                Note:
                If you know how to fight using your fist, you should also know how to cure your opponent damage using your hands(fist)

                That is the reason why KungFu is great because:
                1. KungFu knows how to destroy using fist
                2. KungFu knows how to cure using hands(fist)
                3. KungFu knows how to use long and short KungFu weapons

                Another Note:
                In Cavity Press (Poison Hand/Death Touch)
                The harder you strike - can KILL
                The softer you strike - can HEAL

                Source:
                From the 108 Dim Mak KungFu (PoisonHand/DeathTouch) KungFu

                36 death cavities
                72 paralizing cavities
                equals 108 Cavities all in all

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                • #83
                  you study wingchun and taichi????

                  Originally posted by IPON


                  have you ever been to any dojo japaene, korean and okinowin karate styles ar complete with traditional weapons. This is definately the dumbist thing you have posted. I studied wingchun and Tai chiand what you say makes no sense.
                  So, you study WingChun and TaiChi?????

                  WingChun has 2 weapons
                  1. Butterfly Swords (Bat Jam Do)
                  2. 6 and a half point Pole (Look Dim Bum Guan)

                  TaiChi has only 1 weapon
                  1. TaiChiSword (Tai Chi Jian)

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                  • #84
                    sarcasm isn't something you seem to recognize, do you Bri?

                    What yuu say is that not doing something for real isn't the same as not doing something for real

                    Shure you hold a gun and shoot but I too have my weapons at hand, there's nothing wrong with the weapons, I too do not do the real thing

                    In your mind shooting a person after training on cardboard targets is easier than hitting someone hard after training without doing so

                    BTW an opinion isn't an argument, you are of the opinion that not hitting during basics and not hitting hard during sparring doesn't work, I don't

                    Which parts of the training the K1 karateka use doesn't matter, that you don't considder them karateka even matters less, they considder themself karateka and they do win their fair share of matches

                    You even come up with silly claims like training karate is even worse than not training at all ( because of the hitting thin air)
                    With that you claim that you would have advanced in the art you did after it faster if you wouldn't have trained karate
                    Well if you could prove this true, I would admit that you have been practicing the most crappy karate around
                    Personally I think actually you advanced (technically and as a fighter) easier because your prior karate training

                    At first the main argument against karate was that you never saw much of them in MMA events, I have disproven that and show that they even win a lot of their fights, now you want to change it and say silly stupid things like "They aren't Karateka" or "they didn't do that because of training....."
                    the first is a opinion to start with and for the second you don't have any scientific prove for that

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                    • #85
                      all of you here read this.....

                      Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
                      sarcasm isn't something you seem to recognize, do you Bri?

                      What yuu say is that not doing something for real isn't the same as not doing something for real

                      Shure you hold a gun and shoot but I too have my weapons at hand, there's nothing wrong with the weapons, I too do not do the real thing

                      In your mind shooting a person after training on cardboard targets is easier than hitting someone hard after training without doing so

                      BTW an opinion isn't an argument, you are of the opinion that not hitting during basics and not hitting hard during sparring doesn't work, I don't

                      Which parts of the training the K1 karateka use doesn't matter, that you don't considder them karateka even matters less, they considder themself karateka and they do win their fair share of matches

                      You even come up with silly claims like training karate is even worse than not training at all ( because of the hitting thin air)
                      With that you claim that you would have advanced in the art you did after it faster if you wouldn't have trained karate
                      Well if you could prove this true, I would admit that you have been practicing the most crappy karate around
                      Personally I think actually you advanced (technically and as a fighter) easier because your prior karate training

                      At first the main argument against karate was that you never saw much of them in MMA events, I have disproven that and show that they even win a lot of their fights, now you want to change it and say silly stupid things like "They aren't Karateka" or "they didn't do that because of training....."
                      the first is a opinion to start with and for the second you don't have any scientific prove for that
                      A Karate punch always their fist starts from their waist then to the target.... wow this is a good reason for a telegraphic move, and i mean all karate punch and kicks are all telegraphic to the eye, it easy to defend using eyes and not using the ChiSau of WingChun - hmmmm no need to use ChiSau cause its all telegraphic to the eye.

                      Another worst of karate is - they always shout when they punch or kick, WHY NO EXHALE WHEN YOU PUNCH AND INHALE WHEN YOU WITHDRAW. By the way you shout you only decrease your punching power, do it exhale throu your nose and not by shouting!!!


                      YYYYAAAAAA!!!!!!

                      That is the reason why taichi power is great cause they do exhale rather than karate or tae kwon do shouting.....

                      you only decreasing your power

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by sherwinc
                        A Karate punch always their fist starts from their waist then to the target.... wow this is a good reason for a telegraphic move, and i mean all karate punch and kicks are all telegraphic to the eye, it easy to defend using eyes and not using the ChiSau of WingChun - hmmmm no need to use ChiSau cause its all telegraphic to the eye.

                        Another worst of karate is - they always shout when they punch or kick, WHY NO EXHALE WHEN YOU PUNCH AND INHALE WHEN YOU WITHDRAW. By the way you shout you only decrease your punching power, do it exhale throu your nose and not by shouting!!!


                        YYYYAAAAAA!!!!!!

                        That is the reason why taichi power is great cause they do exhale rather than karate or tae kwon do shouting.....

                        you only decreasing your power

                        A basic Shotokan punch starts from the hip, not all styles start their punches from the side of the body, what all do is have a straitline
                        For instance, Kyokushin fight from a so called "allround gamae" so the hand doesn't reside to the side of the body
                        In sparring the rearhand resides in front of the solar plexus (most styles do so)
                        what is true is that the forearm should be parallel to the line the hand travels to the target

                        a frontfoot roundhousekick isn't that telegraphic, nor a frontfoot front or groinkick

                        most rearfootkicks are telegraphic, no matter what art or style, you have to move your hips for it ( or have a kick without any power)
                        but you can actually use the telegraphing to fool someone (outside roundhouse kick, soto mawashi geri)

                        As for the breathing, do no about you but to my knowledge shouting is exhaling
                        Plus you can exhale faster through the mouth than through the nose,
                        Kiai shout be short not like the word itself so not Kiiiaaiii or Tesssaaa
                        only a single sillable(spelling?) People who use more don't understand why they are using the Kiai

                        Most sports each to inhale through the nose and exhale through the mouth, karate does the same

                        Oh and as for shouting decreasing your power, that must be the reason why powerlifters shout then, they want to lift less

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                        • #87
                          Man, if there is one thing I disagree with in my CLF training it is forms (Katas)! I'm the hardest hitting / kicking guy in the school but when I punch in thin air I look retarded, like I"m going to fall over. That's because it's not natural for me not to follow through. I'm just glad that there aren't tooooo many forms in my style, and a ton of the ones we have are weapons. I don't mind weapons forms, I can't (unfortunately ) try those out on opponents. I personally don't have a clue what Kata's teach you, I've been trying to figure that out for a while. My instructor doesn't favor them too much either, but he doesn't wanna change the art, and then claim the name. I can understand that much.

                          Overall, forms / katas suck ass, even in Kung Fu sherwinc. Like TB said, there is nothing that can replace either a person or contact equiptment (punching bag, etc.)

                          I disagree with HandToHand...I also have to do horse stances, as much as I hate them, but they teach me more than anything else to push myself just a little further, and they make your legs stronger. Other than that, yeah, they are useless.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Toudiyama[NL]
                            Oh and as for shouting decreasing your power, that must be the reason why powerlifters shout then, they want to lift less
                            I know when I'm maxing out or something, I let out a nice amount of noise...It really does help. In Choy Lay Fut Kung Fu, we actually make some noise. It helps more to make alot of noise than a litte, I can tell you that. However, I think that is because when you make a little noise you are holding your breath.

                            So while shouting is effective, I believe a very similar effect can be made from shouting by breathing equally hard for strikes.

                            In the case of the powerlifting, I personally know that when I lift the difference in making noise and breathing hard is still there. I tend to get more out of it when I make noise.

                            My theory is that the stiffness created by the yell on the body is benificial for weightlifting, where as it is detrimental for striking because you do not want to be as stiff for striking because speed, which effects striking power is limited by the stiffness created in the upper body.

                            Just my .25 (I would say .02, but my opinion is just so valuable that it cannot be referred to as my two cents) J/K LOL

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Thai Bri
                              I no longer read what that twit writes...... So Toutyfruity still gets the award!
                              OK, but his point (and the point of teh thread) is Karate ain't so bad. Toudiyama[NL] makes good points but ultamately he has stated that karate isn't the best perhaps just not as bad as it is percieved.

                              Your main argument seems to be with Kata which I agree and disgree. I would agree if kata are teaching fighting and if students interpret these kata as the "only scenerio" or that perfect kata translates into a perfect fighter that is silly. My main experience in katas are from korean arts not so much japanese (very little in judo and jujitsu). The katas did teach SD and application, but they were always looked at as a training tool, not how I would fight nor how I sparred. No kata or shadowboxing can accomodate every SD or fighting scenerio. At least from my experience there was a lot of bag work and sparring with pads for teh feet not hands (at least for tang soo do) so I have never felt that katas restricted me anymore than using a speed bag or boxing gloves in boxing, or a gi in judo/jujitsu it's all context.


                              BTW - wrestlers do practice with imaginary opponents sometime you need to practice techniques to stay in shape.

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                              • #90
                                People do keep saying that Kata is just a "tool". To be honest, I think we can all agree on that. We disagree over how effective the tool is. I say it is worse than ineffective, it is positively harmful to the development of a real fighter.

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