Karate ain't so bad

[bartjam]

You are teaching kids how NOT to balance when you teach them Kata. Especially with regards to kicks. A kick against thin air is very different to a powerful kick against a person or a bag. Very different. .

I completely agree about this. No impact=no real balance training. It's the same when you punch the air: you don't develop real power.
Boxers and wrestlers never do forms. Yet they're more than able to fight, even when they are 14 yrs old. Why? Because their systems are no-nonsense, even though limited and not complete for street self-defense or NHB matches.
So, talking about TMA: if you take Wing Chun/Wing Tsun for example, you have 95% of schools teaching forms, drills and air-punching and air-kicking. Then you have some realists. Like Henning Daverne, for example (www.dewto.dk ). He started a WT "fighter club", where you had to fight for real to pressure-test your art. The consequences are easy to imagine: he has been forced to leave his big and arrogant federation. Still, I think he'd bash almost all "sifus" of his same level.

[sherwinc]

I agree that karate has severe limitations but i dont think that the average person knows karate combos. And as far as ring fighting goes i would say that the average karate practictioner would get the ass handed to them by the average boxer. For the simple reason that boxers train harder and they punch one another, not the air.

In Karate:
Especially in Shorin-Ryu Karate, Your first lesson is the world of EXERCISE, like neck bending from left to right, shoulder twist, then its hand attacks, defense, and forms(Kata), that is what they teach you until you reach advance level. Same exercise, same category of teaching, only the color of belts are increasing.

while.......

In KungFu:
Foundation is your first lesson. I mean, for example, in Southern Eagle Claw KungFu, 70% of your entire years of training is spend in training for your EagleClawing hand (3fingers in each hand) Clawing heavy objects and increasing the weight while the practitioner reach advanced level..... by that time - no kungfu is taught - you have to pass the test first. And 30% of its curriculum is Form Training(Eagle Claw Techniques)

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This is the reason why I insist that KungFu is far more SUPERIOR compare to Karate and Tae Kwon Do

KungFu Kata is important
Karate and Tae Kwon Do Kata is a waste of time

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Yehh, i can say that KungFu and Boxing may have the same principle but Boxing have only 6 hand techniques while in KungFu - their hand techniques is unlimited

[brokenelbow]

So that's 70% hand conditioning and 30% forms which add up to 100%. Doesn't leave much time learning how to really fight does it?

[sherwinc]

So that's 70% hand conditioning and 30% forms which add up to 100%. Doesn't leave much time learning how to really fight does it?

Correction!!!!

If you can't carry the railroad track using your 3fingers on each hand then the instructor will not teach you the Southern Eagle Forms. If you can't pass the training within years spent then sorry, you have to pass the training test first in order to learn the basics of its kata first up to its advance.

Eagle Claw training first before kata.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Correction!!!!

If you can't carry the railroad track using your 3fingers on each hand then the instructor will not teach you the Southern Eagle Forms. If you can't pass the training within years spent then sorry, you have to pass the training test first in order to learn the basics of its kata first up to its advance.

Eagle Claw training first before kata.

wel chinese Railroadtracks must be totally different from the rest of the world then, normally it takes 3 or 4 people to lift one and they use hooks to do so
I take it this instructor doesn't have much students

[sherwinc]

wel chinese Railroadtracks must be totally different from the rest of the world then, normally it takes 3 or 4 people to lift one and they use hooks to do so
I take it this instructor doesn't have much students

To lift it using only 3 fingers on each hand. (whereas in GoCho/NgoChoKun KungFu they use Chioso Kung) but in Southern Eagle Claw using their 3fingers to claw the most sensitive part (eg. adams apple, armpit, etc...) of the human body

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The most sensitive/vulnerable part of the human body versus Blood Draw while Eagle clawing forcefully.

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The most worst enemy of the Southern Eagle Claw Kungfu is the AngKaKungFu(lohan, arhats) why????? because AngKa(the sister art of NgoChoKunKungFu) is very famous for its Golden Bell Cover or Iron Skin Training
The most favorite enemy of the Southern Eagle Claw is the Snake KungFu Style.

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If UFC Fighters meets this Southern Eagle Claw KungFu, UFC fighters will never use a takedown technique anymore.....

[IPON]

If UFC Fighters meets this Southern Eagle Claw KungFu, UFC fighters will never use a takedown technique anymore.....

Then why has eagle claw not been represented in teh UFC.


"If you can't carry the railroad track using your 3fingers on each hand then the instructor will not teach you the Southern Eagle Forms."

Also, I agree with Toudiyama[NL], as usual what you are saying is simply ridiculus. A section of railraod track weighs several hundred pounds and you expect somone to believe that a human can "carry" that with 3 fingers. Well If that could even be true I hope the person has a lot of Muscle control because if they ever picked thier nose, scratched and itch or worse scratched there butt they would have to go to the hospital.

Dude I think you are learning MAs from comic books you do realize when people compare certain techniques to sometype of metal that it is just a metaphor.

Wing chun maxum: Glass head, cotton belly, Iron bridge. This does not mean your bridge is made of iron dude or your head made of glass. Iron Palm is not part of wing Chun though som may train in it. At its best you hands will not turn to iron

[CKD]

quote by sherwinc" If UFC Fighters meets this Southern Eagle Claw KungFu, UFC fighters will never use a takedown technique anymore"
A good wrestler can ussually take a person down before he tries to sink his finger into the back and there also would not be enouph distance to cause the momentum. This is a false argument that has been proven in many matches. In China when Lei Tai matches were going on there was plenty of eagle claw fighters that were taken down by skilled practicioners in Chinese wrestling. They did not use a eagle claw to stop this they tried to qin na them because as you know chinese wrestling was meant to deal with striking, qin na joint locking to deal with chinese wrestling and striking to deal with qin na joint locking. Just because a art has more techniques does not mean it is better. You can really only truly master a few techniques and hone them into your weapons. There seems to be a lot of mysticsm surronding Chinese arts today. Probaly because people are thinking all these street acrobats in China are real masters and that all there breaking and parlor tricks are real, either that or the movies and all the faulty legends surronding the arts, and in a few people that actually fought them. When I doing shaolin I fought in a tournament in Taiwan and lost to a bagua person from Maryland when he knocked me out with a throw. I did not see it coming and I thought there was something mystical about it until I watched the video and all he simply did was blind sided me.

[Thai Bri]

Karate may well be crap but, if sherwinc carries on like this, he will convince everyone that Kung Fu is far worse.

[sherwinc]

quote by sherwinc" If UFC Fighters meets this Southern Eagle Claw KungFu, UFC fighters will never use a takedown technique anymore"
A good wrestler can ussually take a person down before he tries to sink his finger into the back and there also would not be enouph distance to cause the momentum. This is a false argument that has been proven in many matches. In China when Lei Tai matches were going on there was plenty of eagle claw fighters that were taken down by skilled practicioners in Chinese wrestling. They did not use a eagle claw to stop this they tried to qin na them because as you know chinese wrestling was meant to deal with striking, qin na joint locking to deal with chinese wrestling and striking to deal with qin na joint locking. Just because a art has more techniques does not mean it is better. You can really only truly master a few techniques and hone them into your weapons. There seems to be a lot of mysticsm surronding Chinese arts today. Probaly because people are thinking all these street acrobats in China are real masters and that all there breaking and parlor tricks are real, either that or the movies and all the faulty legends surronding the arts, and in a few people that actually fought them. When I doing shaolin I fought in a tournament in Taiwan and lost to a bagua person from Maryland when he knocked me out with a throw. I did not see it coming and I thought there was something mystical about it until I watched the video and all he simply did was blind sided me.

Chin Na is also a very powerful art like Eagle Claw.

Now, why is it that using my ChiDianBunKungFu combined with NgoChoKunKungFu and WingChunKungFu - even 1st Degree Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate cannot even hit me just once while i hit them already 12 times. The sparring has more on smashing forearms versus forearms before i land plenty of fists unto his chests.... sometimes a plain black belt karate hit me in my stomach but it is a "trading blows" what i mean is - he hit me on my stomach while i hit him 12-to-11th then follow-up by 7th hand attack using my ChiDianBunKungFu. Karate's only chance of winning is attack by means of "TRADING BLOWS".

plenty of scientific hand attack alphabets is very better cause the opponent i notice doesnt know where my hands came from, but i hit him hard all of my strokes.

if this is a comic story then why did the Karate and Boxing opponents if they cant manage my rapid hand combinations why did they jump aside in order for them to have some gap?????

You know??? for me???? if you hit your opponent 12times and he hit you 10 times is not good, its bullshit..... it is no longer called MARTIAL ARTS.

it is better to hit your opponent 20times before he can hit you 3times. but be sure that all of your hand strokes have more power for him to feel real pain.

that is the thing that i dont like in Karate, Tae Kwon Do and Boxing is when sparring - the ratio of hit is 10:10, or 12:10, or 10:12 and its bullshit.

the thing that i like in kungfu is the ratio of hit is 2:17, or 20:3, or 5:0 and it is called martial arts.

[sherwinc]

Then why has eagle claw not been represented in teh UFC.


"If you can't carry the railroad track using your 3fingers on each hand then the instructor will not teach you the Southern Eagle Forms."

Also, I agree with Toudiyama[NL], as usual what you are saying is simply ridiculus. A section of railraod track weighs several hundred pounds and you expect somone to believe that a human can "carry" that with 3 fingers. Well If that could even be true I hope the person has a lot of Muscle control because if they ever picked thier nose, scratched and itch or worse scratched there butt they would have to go to the hospital.

Dude I think you are learning MAs from comic books you do realize when people compare certain techniques to sometype of metal that it is just a metaphor.

Wing chun maxum: Glass head, cotton belly, Iron bridge. This does not mean your bridge is made of iron dude or your head made of glass. Iron Palm is not part of wing Chun though som may train in it. At its best you hands will not turn to iron

Yes, you could not carry but you have to spent years of Training "Clawing" for the Eagle Claw before learning its Fists or its Kata. My instructor doesnt want to teach this art - so i cant really counter-comment.

but what i mean is, in KungFu, years of training first before sets of Fist or its Kata.

CONVINCED?????????

[sherwinc]

Karate may well be crap but, if sherwinc carries on like this, he will convince everyone that Kung Fu is far worse.

How can a KungFu be a far worst than Karate??????

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Karate came from KungFu

how can a lower level martial arts like Karate be superior to a KungFu?

all Karate moves is lousy.....

in Muay Thai - i really convinced that their Kicking is awesome but their Fists is useless cause they learn only 6 hand attacks. But i do believe now on their kickings.

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by means of CRITICIZING other Martial Arts - i am too open minded, i can learn some of your comments and replies.

There's no FMA here (maybe hiding, but in your country - plenty) and there's no Muay Thai here in the philippines but thru your some replies - i have learn some of their info's.

Karate and Tae Kwon Do are the well known in here.
(well known on its dis-advantages)

[brokenelbow]

It's not the number of punches landed but the ones that landed and did damage.

[sherwinc]

It's not the number of punches landed but the ones that landed and did damage.

then why those in Karate tournament, boxing tournament (all with no hand gloves)

they reach up to 3rounds or 12 rounds but still both of the fighters are still standing with bruises and still angry looking (they used to block opponents fists with their chests, hehehe)

while....

in KungFu, only 60seconds or the maximum is 120seconds - if you cannot beat your opponent then you are a fake KungFu. A lot of smashing of their forearms against their opponents forearms before they can land their fists to their opponents chests or head. (Blocking, Parrying, Nutralizing, etc.. is emphasize first.....)

[jubaji]

then why those in Karate tournament, boxing tournament (all with no hand gloves)

they reach up to 3rounds or 12 rounds but still both of the fighters are still standing with bruises and still angry looking (they used to block opponents fists with their chests, hehehe)

while....

in KungFu, only 60seconds or the maximum is 120seconds - if you cannot beat your opponent then you are a fake KungFu. A lot of smashing of their forearms against their opponents forearms before they can land their fists to their opponents chests or head. (Blocking, Parrying, Nutralizing, etc.. is emphasize first.....)

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