Karate ain't so bad

[Thai Bri]

Thats a poor attempt at an insult. You have no idea what I do.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Thats a poor attempt at an insult. You have no idea what I do.

KNOCK KNOCK, anybody there, I didn't mean it as an insult, we do not have combatives here, I do not know what it is, hence stuff


I do not insult others, that's your hobby

[Tiger Claw]

Sparring is really the only tool unless you pick fights or have a job with that deals with fights (all the wrong reasons) as training. That only goes for street fighting. As for competitions it is very useful. What do ya train in bri? Your name suggests mt but the way you write suggests something else.

[Thai Bri]

I don't limit myself to any name of an art, and have done loads (including some Muay Thai). At the moment I'm into Geoff Thomspons' Fence (which, in my view, takes you 90% of the way there for most situations), the concepts of Senshido, WW2 Combatives and should soon be getting back into grappling, as a BJJ club has opened near to my home town.

Toudy - I've finally seen yor post in context. Silly me!

[darrianation]

BS, MT doesn't train/teach good reality based self-defense either nor do they use realistic scenarios or even use scenarios at all

Boxing doesn't either nor does wrestling nor most other so called 'Modern" MAs

only the shit like you do ( combatives?) does so

'Toudiyama[NL] is right.

However I think systems like boxing, or MT make a good base in which to work from. You then need to learn to fight from all ranges including the ground also specific techniques against specific attacks such as chokes, grabs, etc.

SD is a totally different mind set. You need to be physically and psychologically prepared for sudden and very violent confrontations, as well as trained on how to avoid conflict. Sport, and traditional MA doesn’t prepare you this way. They are different and meant to be different because they serve a different purpose.

If you want to be able to defend yourself or your loved ones then you need a different approach.

When I teach a SD class I teach avoidance, situational awareness, verbal de-escalation, escape, and physical techniques. Adrenaline response training generally comes from doing realistic scenarios, you also gain confidence. I also add a lot of MT techniques especially elbows, knees, and clinches. However in SD training you need to have more training in rapid analysis of the situation and use of force issues as well as eye poking, biting, throws/takedowns, counter throws and take downs.

My only real experience in grappling comes from 6 years of junior high and high school wrestling along with 4 years of AAU freestyle wrestling. However I do know a few (most Judo throws) I want to be more proficient in ground fighting so I am slowly learning submissions, fighting from the mount and the guard. I hope I can add these things to my classes so things can be better well-rounded.

Basically the only way to be good at self-defense is to train specifically for street combat!

[Tiger Claw]

I don't limit myself to any name of an art, and have done loads (including some Muay Thai). At the moment I'm into Geoff Thomspons' Fence (which, in my view, takes you 90% of the way there for most situations), the concepts of Senshido, WW2 Combatives and should soon be getting back into grappling, as a BJJ club has opened near to my home town.

Toudy - I've finally seen yor post in context. Silly me!

I feel the same way that is way I said train rather than style. I believe in cross-training to devolp my way .

[guy incognito]

guy incognito

Bit off topics but can anyone tell this.Do any of the syles of karate teach the juji dome techniques of miyamoto musashi.This is where the katana and wakasashi are used together from a gaurd position swords crosed in front of the face.

[Karate_is_cool]

wow this post is sooo long that i couldnt read all of it. Mostly from what I got out of it is that a lot of people have major misconceptions about our art. First off i really hate people who talk like their art is the shit. although i like muaythaifighter cuz he can be nice. I thought Thai bri was funny but then he just gets too disrespectful. whatever its just him. the one guy i think is the worst is sherwinc. for a traditional martial artist he sure is an ass. thinking he knows everything. telling us our arts are useless and his art is the best when clearly he a POS lol ok thats not a good arguement. But just like u said sherwinc, we don't understand your art, and get this.... YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OURS. so dont go telling us what we do. and why invent a kata that exposes your weaknesses? shouldnt u just work on getting rid of weaknesses? isnt that the fundamentals of any competetive art? i wonder y no one said anything. but anyways i would write more but i have to go to karate.

karate is cool!!!

[sherwinc]

wow this post is sooo long that i couldnt read all of it. Mostly from what I got out of it is that a lot of people have major misconceptions about our art. First off i really hate people who talk like their art is the shit. although i like muaythaifighter cuz he can be nice. I thought Thai bri was funny but then he just gets too disrespectful. whatever its just him. the one guy i think is the worst is sherwinc. for a traditional martial artist he sure is an ass. thinking he knows everything. telling us our arts are useless and his art is the best when clearly he a POS lol ok thats not a good arguement. But just like u said sherwinc, we don't understand your art, and get this.... YOU DONT UNDERSTAND OURS. so dont go telling us what we do. and why invent a kata that exposes your weaknesses? shouldnt u just work on getting rid of weaknesses? isnt that the fundamentals of any competetive art? i wonder y no one said anything. but anyways i would write more but i have to go to karate.

karate is cool!!!

even thou i only see Kihon Kata 1 to 5, Naihanchin, Pin-an.... i can clearly see their advantages thru that Kata stepping.

This is applied to all styles of Karate: (the weakness that i see i see thru its Kata):
1. their lung punch and their reverse punch is all delivered straight from shoulder up to their fist.....
2. No emphasizing of defense moves.....
3. their moves is pause-by-pause and stop-by-stop
4. all of thier hand attacks is "a fist is is just a fist and nothing more"
5. mostly, their attack came from their REAR and not a leading type....
6. limited technique, there's no advance level of technique....
7. the lung punch and reverse punch is in all of its kata is repeated plenty of times...... including many of its moves..... no advance moves.....
8. and the last part is "i know all of karate's secret to fighting"

Note:
now, its your turn to identify the Chi Dian Bun KungFu and AngKa kungfu's disadvantages.... (yet maybe you know wingchun's disadvantages)

answer it now cause i am waiting.......

CONVINCED????????

[Toudiyama[NL]]

even thou i only see Kihon Kata 1 to 5, Naihanchin, Pin-an.... i can clearly see their advantages thru that Kata stepping.

This is applied to all styles of Karate: (the weakness that i see i see thru its Kata):
1. their lung punch and their reverse punch is all delivered straight from shoulder up to their fist.....
2. No emphasizing of defense moves.....
3. their moves is pause-by-pause and stop-by-stop
4. all of thier hand attacks is "a fist is is just a fist and nothing more"
5. mostly, their attack came from their REAR and not a leading type....
6. limited technique, there's no advance level of technique....
7. the lung punch and reverse punch is in all of its kata is repeated plenty of times...... including many of its moves..... no advance moves.....
8. and the last part is "i know all of karate's secret to fighting"

Note:
now, its your turn to identify the Chi Dian Bun KungFu and AngKa kungfu's disadvantages.... (yet maybe you know wingchun's disadvantages)

answer it now cause i am waiting.......

CONVINCED????????

1. what R U talking about here?
2. Not True, Kata start with a defensive move and often end with it too
3 no they are combo by combo e.g. blok kick strike to one side, then block kick strike to the other
4. you can keep claiming that but it doesn't make it true, blocks can attacks in bunkai and strikes can be blocks ( they are only identified by one name because that makes learning easier)
5 you might be right there for most kata ( shorin for shure) but this is the more powerful way of attacking
6 what level did you reach? if you never attained advanced level, how can you know this Kihon waza is basics, Kaishu waza is advanced
7 your styles forms will probably have a favourite technique too but that doesn't say anything about what techniques are done beside the basic punches, they appear in the Kata because they are basic and will most likely be used more often than advanced techniques
8 see point 1 but it sounds like "chinese KF is best because we have te most techniques "

As for dissing an obscure chinese martial art, why would we, this thread ain't about KF or anything like it, it's about karate so no need to tell you the disadvantage of Fu kyu or any art like that


All your points give me the feeling that you have only seen some karate and heard about it and believe anything your KF instructor tells you about Karate

[Beginner]

It's been a while since I last read through & posted in this forum & boy, I am amazed by how much the thread has grown & w/ the same points being posted!

I don't understand how there are so many here posting to put down or bash Karate. It's a Karate forum. A forum is designed so that there is a venue for CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms w/c will ultimately benefit the topic in question. Evidently, the same people who claim to be "true" martial artists are the same people posting how "crappy" Karate is. The posts are mostly destructive and do not help the Karatekas reading this forum to see a good third person opinion to address so-called “faults” of the art.

Yes, Karate is traditional & that is the reason why it is such a very good martial art. It develops the individual’s totality. It teaches fighting AND character. Yes, there are schools w/c misrepresent Karate, but this is something that the Karate community will have to address on its own. To generalize Karate as ineffective is preposterous.

I’ve been to quite a number of fights (some very life threatening - Sherwinc, I'm from Manila so you must know what I'm talking about) & the fact that I am using the keyboard to post on this thread provides proof that what I have learned from Karate is effective. In fact, what I’ve learned from Karate even transcends to what I am learning now w/c is Kali.

I believe any art is effective provided the practitioner has the right mindset in taking up any art. Let’s not make this thread into my-art-is-better-than-yours issue because it is a fallacy. It’s the individual him/herself who is better than you.

Oh, and Toudiyama, I’ll have to check w/ my sensei back home on the bunkai of Naihanchin. I might have been carried away – my bad.

Much respects.

[Thai Bri]

Yes, Karate is traditional & that is the reason why it is such a very good martial art. It develops the individual’s totality. It teaches fighting AND character. Yes, there are schools w/c misrepresent Karate, but this is something that the Karate community will have to address on its own. To generalize Karate as ineffective is preposterous.

This is the most illogical bullshit in the whole thread. Even sherwinc the idiot (Convinced!!!!) has more of a grasp of the subject than you.

It does not develop the "individuals totality", because that is airy fairy sounding meaningless crap.

It does not teach fighting, and the average Karate-ka is worse off than your average street fighter.

And what the fluck does "builds character" mean? ANYTHING can be said to do that.

[darrianation]

even thou i only see Kihon Kata 1 to 5, Naihanchin, Pin-an.... i can clearly see their advantages thru that Kata stepping.

This is applied to all styles of Karate: (the weakness that i see i see thru its Kata):
1. their lung punch and their reverse punch is all delivered straight from shoulder up to their fist.....
2. No emphasizing of defense moves.....
3. their moves is pause-by-pause and stop-by-stop
4. all of thier hand attacks is "a fist is is just a fist and nothing more"
5. mostly, their attack came from their REAR and not a leading type....
6. limited technique, there's no advance level of technique....
7. the lung punch and reverse punch is in all of its kata is repeated plenty of times...... including many of its moves..... no advance moves.....
8. and the last part is "i know all of karate's secret to fighting"

Note:
now, its your turn to identify the Chi Dian Bun KungFu and AngKa kungfu's disadvantages.... (yet maybe you know wingchun's disadvantages)

answer it now cause i am waiting.......

CONVINCED????????

Remember there are no such thing as advanced technieques only the basics are effective. If you try to get to fancy (advanced) then you'll get knocked out!

[darrianation]

Oh no, the more complex the better.

CONVINCED???

He he he he he

[guy incognito]

Come leave sherwinc alone she is entitled to her opinion.
You have to think body frame I mean the chinese were generaly fairly slight.
Japanese were much more solid and karate reflects this I think.
They took from the chinese arts but they applied it to their pysical attributes.
Therein lies the difference correct me if im wrong.
There is nothing wrong with karate.
Dont put all karate in the same box just because some do reverse punches and lunging.