Karate ain't so bad

[sherwinc]

It's been a while since I last read through & posted in this forum & boy, I am amazed by how much the thread has grown & w/ the same points being posted!

I don't understand how there are so many here posting to put down or bash Karate. It's a Karate forum. A forum is designed so that there is a venue for CONSTRUCTIVE criticisms w/c will ultimately benefit the topic in question. Evidently, the same people who claim to be "true" martial artists are the same people posting how "crappy" Karate is. The posts are mostly destructive and do not help the Karatekas reading this forum to see a good third person opinion to address so-called “faults” of the art.

Yes, Karate is traditional & that is the reason why it is such a very good martial art. It develops the individual’s totality. It teaches fighting AND character. Yes, there are schools w/c misrepresent Karate, but this is something that the Karate community will have to address on its own. To generalize Karate as ineffective is preposterous.

I’ve been to quite a number of fights (some very life threatening - Sherwinc, I'm from Manila so you must know what I'm talking about) & the fact that I am using the keyboard to post on this thread provides proof that what I have learned from Karate is effective. In fact, what I’ve learned from Karate even transcends to what I am learning now w/c is Kali.

I believe any art is effective provided the practitioner has the right mindset in taking up any art. Let’s not make this thread into my-art-is-better-than-yours issue because it is a fallacy. It’s the individual him/herself who is better than you.

Oh, and Toudiyama, I’ll have to check w/ my sensei back home on the bunkai of Naihanchin. I might have been carried away – my bad.

Much respects.

So, you are from Manila, then i think you also familiar with the most popular branch of Karate here in the Philippines - the art of Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate - Founded by Gonzales, Also the TRACMA Karate founded by Trovador Ramos, the PKA or Philippine Karate Association, i have sparred many of its Black Belted Karate cause i am found of testing my Chi Dian Bun combined with some WingChun, TaiChi, and AngKa, plus the SpringLegStyle KungFu...... and why is it that all that Black Belted Karate they only have no time to launch an offense, cause they could not understand the combinations of a combined kungfu, cause my secret to fighting is - depending upon the distance of my non-kungfu opponents i offenly/usually shifting from one branch of kungfu to another kungfu, and it is really effective,

Note:
all branches of karate, whether it is Okinawan Shorin-Ryu, TRACMA Karate, PKA or even Phil Tiger Karate, VilCat Karate, NaJuKa-Ju-A Karate, are all the same concept to fighting, they are all stop-by-stop and all of their attacking moves travel in a straight patch and mostly, some of the moves are half circling but still it is only basic moves if compare to KungFu.

there is still more i want to test to spar black belt karate like those of Defenders Karate Clan, etc....

still.... the ratio of hit is 2:22 or 0:10 or 4:16 and not a 15:15 or 14:16 or 16:14 ..... understand?????????

and a black belt karate opponent is not a basic karate fighter, black belt degree in karate is in the best to test using my 10yrs involvement in KungFu since KungFu has no belts that why i am using yrs and not colors of belts to address in kungfu.

CONVINCED??????

[Karate_is_cool]

sherwinc u must've heard about kyokushin based styles right? tell me what you know about them

[konghan]

So, you are from Manila, then i think you also familiar with the most popular branch of Karate here in the Philippines - the art of Okinawan Shorin-Ryu Karate - Founded by Gonzales, Also the TRACMA Karate founded by Trovador Ramos, the PKA or Philippine Karate Association, i have sparred many of its Black Belted Karate cause i am found of testing my Chi Dian Bun combined with some WingChun, TaiChi, and AngKa, plus the SpringLegStyle KungFu...... and why is it that all that Black Belted Karate they only have no time to launch an offense, cause they could not understand the combinations of a combined kungfu, cause my secret to fighting is - depending upon the distance of my non-kungfu opponents i offenly/usually shifting from one branch of kungfu to another kungfu, and it is really effective,

Note:
all branches of karate, whether it is Okinawan Shorin-Ryu, TRACMA Karate, PKA or even Phil Tiger Karate, VilCat Karate, NaJuKa-Ju-A Karate, are all the same concept to fighting, they are all stop-by-stop and all of their attacking moves travel in a straight patch and mostly, some of the moves are half circling but still it is only basic moves if compare to KungFu.

there is still more i want to test to spar black belt karate like those of Defenders Karate Clan, etc....

still.... the ratio of hit is 2:22 or 0:10 or 4:16 and not a 15:15 or 14:16 or 16:14 ..... understand?????????

and a black belt karate opponent is not a basic karate fighter, black belt degree in karate is in the best to test using my 10yrs involvement in KungFu since KungFu has no belts that why i am using yrs and not colors of belts to address in kungfu.

CONVINCED??????

Man you are a very busy person. May I drop in 2 cents of what I think. One of the attributes to be a respected martial artist is to show respect to other styles. You may have personally spar with many karatekas & have won but you must remember there is always a higher mountain, & it is better to have others respect your style & skill than to go out bashing their styles.

Good character with positive force will in the furture gain you respectable & dedicated students, supporters & freinds.

Me, myself I have during the 70`s have not only spar but have won a local tournament in Manila of mix martial artist defeating fighters from different discipline, but before I entered that tournament many kung fu fighters have been humiliatedly defeated.

As a kung fu man we should act as good ambassador to the martial art world.

[Karate_is_cool]

even thou i only see Kihon Kata 1 to 5, Naihanchin, Pin-an.... i can clearly see their advantages thru that Kata stepping.

This is applied to all styles of Karate: (the weakness that i see i see thru its Kata):
1. their lung punch and their reverse punch is all delivered straight from shoulder up to their fist.....
2. No emphasizing of defense moves.....
3. their moves is pause-by-pause and stop-by-stop
4. all of thier hand attacks is "a fist is is just a fist and nothing more"
5. mostly, their attack came from their REAR and not a leading type....
6. limited technique, there's no advance level of technique....
7. the lung punch and reverse punch is in all of its kata is repeated plenty of times...... including many of its moves..... no advance moves.....
8. and the last part is "i know all of karate's secret to fighting"

Note:
now, its your turn to identify the Chi Dian Bun KungFu and AngKa kungfu's disadvantages.... (yet maybe you know wingchun's disadvantages)

answer it now cause i am waiting.......

CONVINCED????????

ok so you know pretty much what everyone else knows about karate's weakness?

how many styles of our art do you know or understand? have you ever heard of the contact arts?

personally i study kyokushin. it is a very effective stand up striking art implementing hands, elbows, kicks (foot and shin), and knees. we have rigid (but short and economical) blocks as WELL as circular parries. Simply put, we fight nothing like our katas. the katas that we do teach us the history of our art and remind us of karate's lineage. So do you think if you saw my kata you could tell how i fight? ha yeah right. it's not gonna be quite that simple.

you wanna know the weaknesses of kung fu compared to my art?

1. your conditioning will not keep up with ours in a fight (stamina)
2. you do not apply your art in combat (and i do not mean light contact sparring matches i mean full contact)
3. your art is much more of a classical mess than others (i do realise how much karate is a classical mess too)
4. your art is too complicated for any real life effectiveness. you would have to be a true master to know all of the chi sau and what not that you clame to be so great. by the time this person can master all this they will be too old and will get knocked out by one swift kick
5. your art probably does not condition your body (body toughening). actually im pretty sure you dont at all. I saw wing chun go up against kyokushin once. i was very impressed by wing chuns speed but the practitioner's art did no damage. the kyokushin karate ka kicked him in the leg twice and punched him in the stomach once resulting in a very funny KO. The ref couldn't stand the WC guy up and the karate ka actually helped him out of the ring. now thats comedy!
6. WC takes too long for people to effectively learn compared to my style of karate.
7. WC shows its entire style through kata. revealing strengths and weaknesses. we know your secret!!!

oh by the way
"6. limited technique, there's no advance level of technique...."
and
"7. the lung punch and reverse punch is in all of its kata is repeated plenty of times...... including many of its moves..... no advance moves....."
is the same arguement.

oh and remember this comparison is to my style vs your style not some other karate. just remember.... STOP DEGRADING OTHER ARTS.

ive seen enough kyokushin vs. kung fu fights to know some facts. please sherwinc share some intelligence and experience, not some "wisdom" that your teacher has told you.

i heard your bs "sun vs wind" comparison of wing chun vs muay thai. u have no proof in what you say. muay thai would not lose to your style. you can apply the "sun vs wind" anyway you want. like the sun is karate and the wind is kung fu. because to be frank, that "wisdom" was nothing more than a personal analogy. how bout this comparison? im the sun and you're the wind. so why dont you go blow me?

sorry i dont usually lose my composure but im sick of sherwinc's bs. go study your art and stop dissing ours (especially since your art is just as flawed or even moreso than others). oh and please read carefully. i dont want to repeat myself.

anyways, to everyone else, train hard and never quit!

ps. i changed my mind about bri. that guy is just too funny!

[guy incognito]

Ok konghan what you have writen is true.I will try to be like this in the future.Its not always easy though but ill try.

[Karate_is_cool]

What's so funny Kung Fu is the original thus making it the best martial art, it has the most techniques and all the other martail arts only copied a few of them thus making them inferior.

Anwser it now because i'm waiting and i'm just so very important.
CONVINCED???

all too true handtohand. i agree with you completely

[guy incognito]

Ever haerd of iron shirt,palm.No contitioning are you mad we do chi gung exercises that incorparate body conditioning as well as stamina(In tong i dont know of wing chun).Conditioning is a very important part of training as well so we dont hurt each other to much.Kung fu does not lend itself to continued sparring because we aim to finish off an opponent as soon as posible.Just ps i know about Kyukoshin and their students are generally very tough.Im not baging karate thats sherwinc.

[guy incognito]

Chew it up?You have to pull of a praying mantis wings,legs and head before you eat it or it will rip your mouth up!Ha!

[sherwinc]

Man you are a very busy person. May I drop in 2 cents of what I think. One of the attributes to be a respected martial artist is to show respect to other styles. You may have personally spar with many karatekas & have won but you must remember there is always a higher mountain, & it is better to have others respect your style & skill than to go out bashing their styles.

Good character with positive force will in the furture gain you respectable & dedicated students, supporters & freinds.

Me, myself I have during the 70`s have not only spar but have won a local tournament in Manila of mix martial artist defeating fighters from different discipline, but before I entered that tournament many kung fu fighters have been humiliatedly defeated.

As a kung fu man we should act as good ambassador to the martial art world.

I think you are correct..... to tell you frankly, i am happy to spar blackbelt karate and tae kwon do here in our place but i never engaged in any trouble in the street cause the more you are advanced level in kungfu the more you have patience when there any trouble.....

but here in defend.net i do intention to criticize a non-kungfu martial arts cause it is the only way for me to listen how you all defend your art by means of criticizing......

but in sparring, yes, i really know all the moves of karate and tae kwon do but i usually stick my forearm to their forearm for me to know if theres anything that they know besides their karate or tae kwon do, i mean, the other art that they know......

here in defend.net - there's no actual/live chi sau here, so i do it criticize a non-kungfu art in order for you or all of you to share to me some info forcefully.....

hehehe

[Toudiyama[NL]]

but here in defend.net i do intention to criticize a non-kungfu martial arts cause it is the only way for me to listen how you all defend your art by means of criticizing......

Now I'm offended, I told you that I didn't criticize your art,
I do not feel the need because it doesn't matter how bad other arts are, it doesn't make the art of Karate any better or worse

But I agree that a lot of people here seem to think it will make their art globaly better if they show others to be less

If MA1 is crap but proves MA2 is worse, it doesn't mean MA1 all of a sudden is good

[Karate_is_cool]

I think you are correct..... to tell you frankly, i am happy to spar blackbelt karate and tae kwon do here in our place but i never engaged in any trouble in the street cause the more you are advanced level in kungfu the more you have patience when there any trouble.....

but here in defend.net i do intention to criticize a non-kungfu martial arts cause it is the only way for me to listen how you all defend your art by means of criticizing......

but in sparring, yes, i really know all the moves of karate and tae kwon do but i usually stick my forearm to their forearm for me to know if theres anything that they know besides their karate or tae kwon do, i mean, the other art that they know......

here in defend.net - there's no actual/live chi sau here, so i do it criticize a non-kungfu art in order for you or all of you to share to me some info forcefully.....

hehehe

sherwinc you are still yet to reply to me. please don't avoid my post. i know you've read it

[Karate_is_cool]

Ever haerd of iron shirt,palm.No contitioning are you mad we do chi gung exercises that incorparate body conditioning as well as stamina(In tong i dont know of wing chun).Conditioning is a very important part of training as well so we dont hurt each other to much.Kung fu does not lend itself to continued sparring because we aim to finish off an opponent as soon as posible.Just ps i know about Kyukoshin and their students are generally very tough.Im not baging karate thats sherwinc.

yeah sorry guy incognito. i dont really mean to generalize and give people crap. thats sherwinc's job. i was just trying to dish it back to sherwinc. also im not here to put other arts down. i understand and appreciate the individuality of all arts.

next time ill be more careful

[sherwinc]

sherwinc u must've heard about kyokushin based styles right? tell me what you know about them

i have no idea about Kyokushin Karate but, i have a clue even thou i dont see you middle or advanced kata..... yet, it is still in a category of KARATE..... as i know about karate, they are the same like those of following:

1. delivering of straight lung/reverse punch (straight lined from shoulder up to their fist) on which - that straight lined of attack is a kungfu's advantages.....

2. you have Frontal Kicks, Roundhouse Kicks and that two primary kicks are really an advantage (pls dont do attack that type of kicks unto a kungfu cause that is very easy to counter and it will only put you unto jeopardy)

3. you have Downward Block, Outside Block, Inside Block and Upward Block including KnifeHand Block on which another candidate to make you in a jeopardy

4. you have Straddle Stance, Forward Stance, Back Stance and very open and i have plenty of dirty things (kungfu alphabets or hand attacks) to deliver in case you perform me using that shit stances......

5. frequent usage of Rear hand and feet attacks and not the leading one.....

6. you always withdraw your fist and put it in your waist, it will put you also in a jeopardy......

7. a fist is just a fist, like (an alphabet that cannot compose words) and if you cant compose any words then you cant make any sentenses cause your fist is only just as a fist and nothing more...... while in kungfu - there are 6 to more applications in each alphabets.

note:
your downward block is only used to block attack comes from below; your outside block is only used when an attack comes from your side or even center; and it is only a block and nothing more..... and that block could not even used as an offense.... UNDERSTAND????

even your bow before the fight is only just a bow, and that bow could not apply as a defensive move or you cannot use your bow as an attack

CONVINCED??????

[Thai Bri]

This is a master comedian at work. I hope you scmucks appreciate him.

[konghan]

I think you are correct..... to tell you frankly, i am happy to spar blackbelt karate and tae kwon do here in our place but i never engaged in any trouble in the street cause the more you are advanced level in kungfu the more you have patience when there any trouble.....

but here in defend.net i do intention to criticize a non-kungfu martial arts cause it is the only way for me to listen how you all defend your art by means of criticizing......

but in sparring, yes, i really know all the moves of karate and tae kwon do but i usually stick my forearm to their forearm for me to know if theres anything that they know besides their karate or tae kwon do, i mean, the other art that they know......

here in defend.net - there's no actual/live chi sau here, so i do it criticize a non-kungfu art in order for you or all of you to share to me some info forcefully.....

hehehe

From what I read in all your thread you seem to be a seasoned martial artist (10 yrs right?), proud, confident, adventurous, brave, courageous & most of all hunger to be the best.

I think that since you have already so far proven yourself in combat sparring to be the better martial artist against almost all others in the Philippines, maybe it is best for you to seek new challenges by travelling to the land where martial art is in its original form. Places like, Japan, Korea, Thailand & China.

I beleive that there are always local tournamnets in those countries or you can send a formal letter to selected schools requesting for a friendly match.

Maybe you can start in Japan since you seem to be more interested in testing Japanese martial art specifically karate.

Good luck & more power to you.