Karate ain't so bad

[Thai Bri]

He'll get creamed if he goes near a real person. He gets his 2evidence" from day dreams, books and comics.

Convinced!!!!!!

[darrianation]

What's so funny Kung Fu is the original thus making it the best martial art, it has the most techniques and all the other martail arts only copied a few of them thus making them inferior.

Anwser it now because i'm waiting and i'm just so very important.
CONVINCED???

Let me rephrase: Keep the techniques basic but use advanced strategies!

[Karate_is_cool]

i have no idea about Kyokushin Karate but, i have a clue even thou i dont see you middle or advanced kata..... yet, it is still in a category of KARATE..... as i know about karate, they are the same like those of following:

1. delivering of straight lung/reverse punch (straight lined from shoulder up to their fist) on which - that straight lined of attack is a kungfu's advantages.....

2. you have Frontal Kicks, Roundhouse Kicks and that two primary kicks are really an advantage (pls dont do attack that type of kicks unto a kungfu cause that is very easy to counter and it will only put you unto jeopardy)

3. you have Downward Block, Outside Block, Inside Block and Upward Block including KnifeHand Block on which another candidate to make you in a jeopardy

4. you have Straddle Stance, Forward Stance, Back Stance and very open and i have plenty of dirty things (kungfu alphabets or hand attacks) to deliver in case you perform me using that shit stances......

5. frequent usage of Rear hand and feet attacks and not the leading one.....

6. you always withdraw your fist and put it in your waist, it will put you also in a jeopardy......

7. a fist is just a fist, like (an alphabet that cannot compose words) and if you cant compose any words then you cant make any sentenses cause your fist is only just as a fist and nothing more...... while in kungfu - there are 6 to more applications in each alphabets.

note:
your downward block is only used to block attack comes from below; your outside block is only used when an attack comes from your side or even center; and it is only a block and nothing more..... and that block could not even used as an offense.... UNDERSTAND????

even your bow before the fight is only just a bow, and that bow could not apply as a defensive move or you cannot use your bow as an attack

CONVINCED??????

ahhh all of what you said to me has just told me you know nothing of kyokushin karate. we do not fight the way our katas show. we don't use reverse punches to fight. watch some of us train sometime and you'll see what it really is. you generalize way too much. u think you've seen all types of karate? pfff you haven't even grasped it yet. i dont go telling you that i know all of kung fu and their "secrets".

and as for some of that alphabet crap. when i learned shotokan karate my instructor told me that a block is not just a block but a strike. striking to the weapons of the opponent. the bunkai to our bow was a choke.

by the way.... how strong are your inside thighs?? (be honest)

oh and reply to my post where i gave my oppinion about the weaknesses of WC. you seemed pretty eager to hear what i thought but you have yet to reply.

[darrianation]

Now I'm offended, I told you that I didn't criticize your art,
I do not feel the need because it doesn't matter how bad other arts are, it doesn't make the art of Karate any better or worse

But I agree that a lot of people here seem to think it will make their art globaly better if they show others to be less

If MA1 is crap but proves MA2 is worse, it doesn't mean MA1 all of a sudden is good

So what you are are saying is that Karate sucks so does KF so if KF proves Karate sucks that doesn't mean KF is the best becuase KF still sucks!

Dude that is Good stuff.

[darrianation]

ahhh all of what you said to me has just told me you know nothing of kyokushin karate. we do not fight the way our katas show. we don't use reverse punches to fight. watch some of us train sometime and you'll see what it really is. you generalize way too much. u think you've seen all types of karate? pfff you haven't even grasped it yet. i dont go telling you that i know all of kung fu and their "secrets".

by the way.... how strong are your inside thighs?? (be honest)

oh and reply to my post where i rant on about the weaknesses of WC. you seemed pretty eager to hear what i thought but you have yet to reply.

kyokushin karate is the king in the Karate world. Damn tuff fighters!

[Karate_is_cool]

kyokushin karate is the king in the Karate world. Damn tuff fighters!

now now lol. as flattering as that is i have to say that there is no king. we shouldnt think like that. all styles are good and offer us something different. maybe it's the king of karate for me, but it wouldnt be for someone else.

[Thai Bri]

It probably is up there with the best, since it has hard contact in training. Unlike the average flicky kicky crap.

[darrianation]

now now lol. as flattering as that is i have to say that there is no king. we shouldnt think like that. all styles are good and offer us something different. maybe it's the king of karate for me, but it wouldnt be for someone else.

C'mon don't be so modest. I've seen some kyokushin karate tournaments on video and from what I've seen it is quite hard core. If we trained and fought like that in our dojo we would loose all our student's after the first day.

Only the instructor and I fight full contact during sparring and he gets mad if I tag him to hard or take him to the ground with a sweep or a trip. I wish we would go at like you guys.

[darrianation]

Let me rephrase: Keep the techniques basic but use advanced strategies!

Let me explain the idea of basic techniques vs. advanced strategies:

Basic techniques: Techniques that can be learned quickly and simple to use.
Examples of basic techniques are Jabs, cross, hooks, and uppercuts. For you Karate guys front punch, reverse punch, snap kick, thrust kicks etc. Clinching knees and elbows, the teep, finger flicks to the eyes, biting, etc are all fairly basic.

Strategies.

Basic strategy: Does not take into account opponents strengths and weaknesses. Example of a basic strategy: Performing a single technique like a jab or cross.

* This is simple but not a very effective strategy. Performing basic strategies like this does not allow for changing tactics of the opponent. It’s like saying my strategy is to go in there and win. Where’s the plan?

Intermediate strategy:
1) Using combinations. Example: Jab, step jab, cross, hook, clinch, knee.
2) Performing the techniques and combinations that you do best.


* This allows your fight plan to be built around the techniques and combos you perform best and are comfortable using but it still is too fixed and not flexible enough to employ if your plan doesn’t work.

Advanced strategies and tactics.
1) You can recognize weaknesses in your opponent’s defense and consistently exploit them to your advantage. Example: A) Opponent drops jab, you come over the top with a cross or jab of your own. B) Opponent crosses feet; you pick him and knock him off balance, etc.
2) You can adapt to overcome opponents style of fighting and changing situations, such a weapon being introduced.
3) Using the best techniques and combinations to suit the circumstances. Examples of changing circumstances: Opponent pulls a knife mid fight. B) Opponent tackles you to the ground. C) Opponent’s friend shows up. Etc.


* Advance strategies allows for adaptations to changing environments and situations in real time.

The actual tactics and strategies are as diverse as the individuals themselves but this is a good model of where a beginner versus intermediate and advanced fighters should be.

I personally liken a strategy to a fight plan. My standard fight plan is simple (but not basic) is to attack forcibly and overwhelm my opponent but if for whatever reason this doesn’t work I am prepared to change (adapt) to do something else. If my favorite combination doesn’t work I’ll switch to others. I also fight different people differently like a guy larger/stronger than myself instead of driving in with straight punches I might throw kicks to the knees, thighs or groin. A taller fighter I’ll get inside and work close range with punches, clinches, knees and elbows. I’ll box a kicker and kick a boxer. I’ll fake low and go high. If I slip and fall or get taken to the ground I’ll go to the ground and pound, biting, and eye gouging, etc, etc.

You can have all these nifty techniques but if you are not flexible with your plan you won’t be able to change with changing circumstances then what will you do if your plan falls apart mid-fight, or your opponent isn’t cooperating with your plan?

Advanced strategy allows you to adapt, improvise, and overcome. The techniques are all basic but you need to strive to be able to employ advanced tactics and strategies if you want to be successful on a consistent basis. Some of the best fighters study their opponent and figure out their weaknesses and wait for they’re opponent to make a mistake and then they attack and the fight is over very fast. Good example of these kinds of fighters is Royce Gracie, and Frank Shamrock.

[darrianation]

God damn it Kung Fu is the best. Kung fu master kick you ass you mean colordian.

CONVINCED???

BTW: Darrington i am kidding, notice similarities between my post and another member's. Although i do agree with what you wrote.

I know you are just kidding and for the record I think its funny.

[Karate_is_cool]

C'mon don't be so modest. I've seen some kyokushin karate tournaments on video and from what I've seen it is quite hard core. If we trained and fought like that in our dojo we would loose all our student's after the first day.

Only the instructor and I fight full contact during sparring and he gets mad if I tag him to hard or take him to the ground with a sweep or a trip. I wish we would go at like you guys.

dont you just hate that? lol im always afraid to kick my sensei in the head for fear of him getting mad and knocking me out. so whenever he makes me fight him i never try the things i do on others. its kind of a respect thing for me. i dont want him thinking that i think im better than him just cause i land a technique when he's going easy on me. i can totally understand though. you don't want your students to get arrogant and cocky. although whenever a student tries, a sensei should put them in their place

[brokenelbow]

Our sensei smack up down if we don't hit hit him hard.

[sherwinc]

kyokushin karate is the king in the Karate world. Damn tuff fighters!

how can a basic (karate) defeat far more advanced (kungfu) if.... karate came from kungfu???????

then...

how can a basic (typewriter) defeat a far more advanced (pentium 4 with Asus Motherboard Computer) if..... typewriter is a stupid tool????

then....

how can a basic (elementary student) defeat a far more advance (College / Bachelors Degree student) if DiarrheaNation is like an elementary student stupid?????

CONVINCED??????

[IPON]

how can a basic (karate) defeat far more advanced (kungfu) if.... karate came from kungfu???????

Sherwic I am writing this to show yo the flaw in your logic. Let's use an example form the auto industry. The automobile was created in the America by Ford. For is not the leading manufacture of automobiles, nor are they at tehtop of the list for technology and safety, but BMW, MERCEDES and TOYOTA are.....CONVINCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Toudiyama[NL]]

how can a basic (karate) defeat far more advanced (kungfu) if.... karate came from kungfu???????

Because they train fighting more realisticly!

How can you mention Kf again in repky to a statement about the place of Kyokushin in the Karateworld

Your reply is like replying to the statement "Granny Smith is the nicest apple" with "no a lemon is"

Karate basic, it is the combination of the kung fu of the 36 chinese families and Okinawan Te ( 17th century)
In the 18th centurie several okinawan studied for 5-10 years in china and added that knowledge too

the ties between China and Okinawa stem from the 14 the century when Okinawa was still an independent kingdom
Hatret against the japanese didn't have an invluence on the relation between Okinawa and China
Someone with a letter of introduction of a chinese cultural attaché would be treated the same as a chinese and rreceive the same instruction

Have youu ever heard about the bubishi the bible of Karate? It is in fact a KF book explaining also herbal medicines, what to use for what injury
These kind of books were reserved for the best students, how did it end up in Okinawa if not because okinawans did receive advanced instructions


Maybe visit the following site and get some facts about karate, this guy (Patrick McCarthy) trafeled all over okinawa and china to trace the roots and get back to Old School Karate, there he spoke with the oldest masters and compared forms

http://www.society.webcentral.com.au/

If Karate is Basic, it is not so because it is derived from KF but because Itosu Yatsutsune made it that way so he could iintroduce it in the highschools
And lateron introduce it as military combat, it was rejected.... do you know why? because it was to complex and took to long to learn NOT because it was too basic

How often did you watch karate lessons of one particular school? How many schools did you do that with? Or is your knowledge solely from books?