Karate ain't so bad

[Toudiyama[NL]]

It just doesn't.

Great argument

I gave you reassons why it does count and you reply with this?

Sounds like your argument is:"when it works, it can't be karate"

What techniques does kyokushin use that are not present in the rest of the karatestyles?

Sherwinc:

no Rea; or non commercial KF has ever defeated kyokushinfighters so it is the other way around but by all means keep on dreaming

[konghan]

It just doesn't.

The jury is dismissed for mistrial, case closed.. TMA does work.

[darrianation]

Formula:
KungFu beats Karate

Problem:
Kyukushin type of Karate beats K-1
(in a ratio of 7:0)

Question:
What if KungFu fights K-1??????

Solution:
If Karate beats K1, then KungFu will pulvorized K1

Result:
Correct!!!!!!!!!

If KF wants a chance in K1 they need bring in their San Shou fighters, they have a good chance at winning.

[darrianation]

The jury is dismissed for mistrial, case closed.. TMA does work.

TMAs are a thing of the past. They bring few relevant things to today’s modern chaotic world. What takes a kung Fu guy 10 years to learn, a person can learn in 6 months in a modern reality based combative. Not only that the combative student can be prepared for more lethal situations and a larger variety of confrontations.

[konghan]

TMAs are a thing of the past. They bring few relevant things to today’s modern chaotic world. What takes a kung Fu guy 10 years to learn, a person can learn in 6 months in a modern reality based combative. Not only that the combative student can be prepared for more lethal situations and a larger variety of confrontations.

The 10 year of intense training actually involves the following:
1. iron fist, able to punch with penetrating power against armour, nreaking & shattering enemy bones, chest, rib, shin or arms.
2. iron grip, to be able to lock into joints like elbow, knees, hips, colar bone & manipulate them with crushing pain
3. iron palm: a strike that would cause severe internal injuries
4. body conditioning, forearm, shoulders, chest, stomack, thighs & shins
5. agility & mobility
6. speed, endurance & stamina
7. reflexes & reaction
8. instinct
9. healing, chinese medicine that include pressure point, bone setting etc.
10. before the time of the guns: mastery of some weapons that include swords, spears, archery or projectiles. These is what being a true MA master is about.

Now you telling me that one can learn all these in 6 months? No wonder we got so many macdojo.

[konghan]

If KF wants a chance in K1 they need bring in their San Shou fighters, they have a good chance at winning.

No doubt, san shou has already fought with MT & karate ( don`t know what karate style) & it brought a lot of excitement & in both event san shou won.

This is what we call entertainement.

[Thai Bri]

The 10 year of intense training actually involves the following:
1. iron fist, able to punch with penetrating power against armour, nreaking & shattering enemy bones, chest, rib, shin or arms.
2. iron grip, to be able to lock into joints like elbow, knees, hips, colar bone & manipulate them with crushing pain
3. iron palm: a strike that would cause severe internal injuries
4. body conditioning, forearm, shoulders, chest, stomack, thighs & shins
5. agility & mobility
6. speed, endurance & stamina
7. reflexes & reaction
8. instinct
9. healing, chinese medicine that include pressure point, bone setting etc.
10. before the time of the guns: mastery of some weapons that include swords, spears, archery or projectiles. These is what being a true MA master is about.

11. Never actually winning any fights.
12. But posing alot.
13. Making money and,
14. Fooling students for years and years on end.

[brokenelbow]

TMAs are a thing of the past. They bring few relevant things to today’s modern chaotic world. What takes a kung Fu guy 10 years to learn, a person can learn in 6 months in a modern reality based combative. Not only that the combative student can be prepared for more lethal situations and a larger variety of confrontations.

I'd say that what's called traditional training is a thing of the past. I'm being taught karate as a combative method. Very small class size, street clothes are worn, emphasis on practical applications, conditioning and using it against a resisting opponent. Kata is secondary and there is no marching up and down punching air. Most training done in what are called traditional karate schools are merely time wasters that have nothing to do with karate.

konghan, those things shouldn't take ten years to train.

[Thai Bri]

Elbowboy. Sounds interesting. Does the school have a site?

[konghan]

11. Never actually winning any fights.
12. But posing alot.
13. Making money and,
14. Fooling students for years and years on end.

Wow man, no wonder your so disfunctional in your martial art pursuite.

[konghan]

I'd say that what's called traditional training is a thing of the past. I'm being taught karate as a combative method. Very small class size, street clothes are worn, emphasis on practical applications, conditioning and using it against a resisting opponent. Kata is secondary and there is no marching up and down punching air. Most training done in what are called traditional karate schools are merely time wasters that have nothing to do with karate.

konghan, those things shouldn't take ten years to train.

It takes 8-10 years to become a full plege medical doctor same with being a lawyer. I guess if we base on all the illogical explanations about MA or TMA it actually take only months maybe 6 to produce a medical doctor?

But yes, it is very easy to learn fighting there is nothing special, punch, punch, stab,stab & kick kick that`s it. Well in that case I`ll challenge any 6 months fighters anytime & anywhere.

In fact bring me as many 6 months noob fighters so that I can match GrandMaster Oyama`s record for having spar with many "fighters" in a single day. And make sure they are all 6 months no cheating.

[Thai Bri]

Of course you can hone your skills and will progress as the years go by (age permitting). But the basics should be there pretty quick.

Like the doctor will have CPR skills from day 1, and the Lawyer will know the definition of theft.

But many traditional arts would train their doctors by getting them to repeat the first line of the medical book 1,000 times before moving onto the second line. By the time they get to the fifth line they have forgotten all about the first.

And, of course, they will be practicing on non existent patients.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

[QUOTE=In fact bring me as many 6 months noob fighters so that I can match GrandMaster Oyama`s record for having spar with many "fighters" in a single day. And make sure they are all 6 months no cheating. [/QUOTE]

Oyama even did that for 3 days in a row

I agree with you on a certain level but 6 months of training for most karateka would be 26x 2 or 4 hours is 52-104 hours of training, most MT fighters will have done more hours in the 6 months
a thai MT fighter will have done 180x 4-8 hours seeing that they enter camps and train daily

I've seen people train MT recreationaly and I was not impressed, the fact of the matter was they wouldn't do any better than most of my karate students

Other thing is that those top karateka that only trained for competition failed missirably in contactsports but those who trained TMA fully made the switch asely, guys like Rob Kaman or Fred Rooyers were TMA before the tried KB and latteron MT, the reason they entered this was because it is the better TESTING method, a knockout can't be denied by the refferee
they later found out that you were often screwed even more if you couldn't force a knockout and the ref and judges were nationalistic
They would dominate the other and still lose, the french were masters at this but the british also did this a lot of times

[Thai Bri]

Talk about a sore loser.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Talk about a sore loser.

Who are YOU talking about?