ninjitsu

[Uke]

I reckon it is easier to make some kind of contact with a bicep or a forearm.....though you'd have to be pretty good to actually efectively strike/disable them in a real go.

But these Ninja idiots are talking about striking an incoming fist. Now thats just ridiculous.

Imagine four people in front of you. They start to throw tennis balls at your head and body. Can you punch them away? I don't fink so!

Anyway, we can await the clip from Hikage........... But hurry up mate. I'm 40 alread, and may only have another 30-40 years left!

Striking an oncoming fist is not in any way unrealistic. I've seen it done and done it myself. As I've always stated , it about conditioning. Its really no different than a Thai boxer using his shin against another man's shin and breaking the man's leg. Well, except the fist is a smaller target. I don't know about punching each strike in a flurry though. And even if you managed to block each strike I doubt that each time you used a strike to block you could land it on the fist each time.

But as far as punching a punch, it can be done. As long as you strike harder and your fist is clenched solid, its not hard to do. Especially against traditional MA's that use reverse punches and other strikes that telegraph.
I wouldn't suggest that you try it though if you're used to wearing gloves when you strike. You fists are weak then, as well as your wrists if you're accustomed to wearing wraps.

On a last note, I REALLY suggest that you guys go check out Dunkin and his clan. You might be surprised at what they can do, and it may make you reevaluate what you feel cannot be done.

[Hikage]

Thai Bri,

I will be honest, as you expect nothing less. I think that H2H's bicep punch is out of reach. You'd need to brace it with your other hand on the backside. I don't know how he lands both knuckles. He's either better than I, or Jubaji hit the nail on the head.

I don't know who said anything about punching someone's fists. I saw it happen once in class, by accident. Two students moving at about half speed had a miscommunication. They both punched at the same time, at the same target (the other's chin) Their fists met perfectly in the middle, stopping both in mid punch and freezing long enough that one could have taken a picture. Neither could move because the shock of it was so great and neither could possibly believe the odds of it.

All my claim has been, and read back if you don't believe me, is that I can strike the inside of the wrist, the forearm and the bicep. I do not claim to have developed the timing and accuracy to be striking fists, however I have seen it done. I just haven't worked that out yet.

Now, about these boxers. I'm serious when I say that I'm not sure there is one around me. Are you particular about the boxing club? If I did find a boxer, it would require a different protocol, and certainly wouldn't be as glamorous as looking at someone who is a little less quick handed. I don't care if you don't. However, it woulnd't be exactly what you asked for.

Let me explain, and I explained this before in this thread, the traditional way it is taught is to step back with the punch and land your strike to the inside of his wrist/forearm using your body weight to fling his attacking arm out from his body, thus exposing the inside of his body. As someone, I don't feel like looking to see who, said, that works only on the haymaker or some muscle head who punches as fast as I can walk to the nearest 711. For someone who is more quck-handed, a variation is required. For me, I use my hammer fist coming down on his forearm, what I call the "high-point." This causes his arm to drop and, if correctly performed, will sink his body weight slightly.

My point: By requesting a boxing club, you are asking for a different henka, or variation to the technique. The "clip" would be not quite what I believe you are expecting.

Your call. I can perform this search for a boxing club (which I still don't think exists w/in an hour of me. Brits have a hard time understanding the vastness of American farmland, seeing as there's always a major city within reach. By contrast, it would be a 3 hour drive to philly for me.) Or I can look for an impartial party among another group: street brawlers, TKD, kenpo, shotokan, or wannabees. That's all I have. You're call, which do you want?

-Hikage

[jubaji]

No but I'm into your mamma.

Are you stealing material from 'punching bag' boy, or do you both buy your quips from the same 3rd grader?

[IPON]

I can perform this search for a boxing club (which I still don't think exists w/in an hour of me. Brits have a hard time understanding the vastness of American farmland, seeing as there's always a major city within reach. By contrast, it would be a 3 hour drive to philly for me.) Or I can look for an impartial party among another group: street brawlers, TKD, kenpo, shotokan, or wannabees. That's all I have. You're call, which do you want?

These may be helpful, but sound like your are in the middle, between Pittsbrugh and Philly

http://www.boxinggyms.com/addresses/pennsylvania.htm

http://www.boxinghelp.com/pennsylvania.html

[jubaji]

Well I dont post hear for the sole purpose of insulting people, so I dont have your refined moronic abilities. Why dont you go around and insult people continually to their face? Its a given that you dont (or at least in an enviroment that you dont control) because if you did you wouldn't be hear now.

I wouldn't be 'where' now, Captain Illiterate?

[IPON]

I wouldn't be 'where' now, Captain Illiterate?

H2H: I said you won't be hear now
Jujabi: What!!
H2H: I said you won't be hear
Jujabi: What!!
H2H: I said you won't be hear
Jujabi: HUH!!
H2H: You are a bda pearson
Jujabi: What!!
H2H: I said bad pearson
Jujabi: What!! You ate a bad pear, sorry son

[jubaji]

Yeah well i don't and didn't intend to tell jubs that he was a bad person. I think he's a f**king asshole. .

Oh, I don't like to 'here' you say things like that!

[jubaji]

But hey maybe you really do get your panties in a knot when you see a spelling error.

Why do you think I want you to stop? You have no idea how uncomfortable it is!

[darrianation]

Punching an incomming attack is actually an easy thing to do and one of the first things I worked on as a ninjutsu practitioner. It is hard until you learn proper distancing and more precise movement.

Which is it, simple or hard?

Guys it's hard to do some of this stuff when someone’s in your face throwing punches as hard and as fast as they can. Your lucky enough to able to punch back or make him miss let alone striking a guys bicep as his punch is incoming.

Again I’ll state as before, I think it's possible to be effective if you go on the offensive and strike his bicep before he throws the punch.

Remember there are a few out there that can make this work on a large percentage (maybe), and then there are more who can make it work on a small percentage. But when the shit hits the fan and big, mean, muscle bound Bubba who just got out of prison decides to stick a six inch blade in your gut the average person even though he may be trained, will not get this crap to work.

[Hikage]

IPON,

Thanks for the help... Most of those are pretty far out there. The closest are in Lancaster and Harrisburg, both about an hour away. I'll try and see if I can make it up there. It'll be tough. I'm off for the summer but I have 2 week-long workshops coming up, 1 week-long class, a hernia surgery and a baby on the way due in August. However, if I find a day where nothing is going on during the week I'll give 'em a call. Thanks for the help!

H2H...

When hiz fist iz cocked bye hiz ear, duzn't that meen hiz bisep iz fasing up? How do you strike the bicep? Or our you hitting the nerve line next to hiz bone? Futhere more, their our better wayz of hitting that other then with you're too big nuckles. A sun fist perhaps? I sea what your sayin', Im just trying to get you to look four a different variation.

In all seriousness H2H, I know you're going in to the military and you probably don't think that you are going to have to write all that clearly for them. Afterall, when's the last time a marine killed someone by writing them a letter. However, you need to realize that your typing on here is how people are going to get their first impressions of you. When you first meet someone, you size them up: the manner of their handshake, the way they speak, the way they dress, ethinicity (let's be honest with ourselves), the way they carry themselves, gender, etc. On here, you don't get much. They see your avatar, your join date, your posts, and how you respect yourself through your typing. Go back and look, some of the most respected people on here are well organized in how they type and write. I.e., Darrianation. He's always very well thought out, laid out, and well written. However, others who are always chastized are those who care less about their spelling and organization. It's similar to those who don't care to how they dress when out in the world. It doesn't take but two minutes to re-read what you wrote. If you don't know by looking, write it in Word then cut and paste it.

(just trying help)

-Hikage

[jubaji]

In all seriousness H2H, I know you're going in to the military and you probably don't think that you are going to have to write all that clearly for them. Afterall, when's the last time a marine killed someone by writing them a letter. However, you need to realize that your typing on here is how people are going to get their first impressions of you. When you first meet someone, you size them up: the manner of their handshake, the way they speak, the way they dress, ethinicity (let's be honest with ourselves), the way they carry themselves, gender, etc. On here, you don't get much. They see your avatar, your join date, your posts, and how you respect yourself through your typing. Go back and look, some of the most respected people on here are well organized in how they type and write. I.e., Darrianation. He's always very well thought out, laid out, and well written. However, others who are always chastized are those who care less about their spelling and organization. It's similar to those who don't care to how they dress when out in the world. It doesn't take but two minutes to re-read what you wrote. If you don't know by looking, write it in Word then cut and paste it.

(just trying help)

-Hikage

Wow. Well put!

[Thai Bri]

I'm not wading through all the 7 pages.

I reckon the claim made was that a Ninja could punch the incoming fist of an aggressor. And I call that bullshit. And it accidentally happening on people going half speed is irrelevant.

Hitting forearm to forearm etc etc is NOT punching a punch. That CAN be done but probably won't happen in a real go with an aggreessive fighter.

If anyone here claims they can land a punch non an incoming punch........ check yourself into the nearest psychiatrist!

[Thai Bri]

I did look at a bit of the thread. Page 3 is revealing.......

But now things seem to be "redefined"....... Haw haw haw!

[Broadsword2004]

Hey, just wondering, anybody seen that movie "The Last Samurai" with Tom Cruise?? I know it wasn't fully historically accurate, but I thought it was a pretty cool movie. However, there is NO WAY IN HELL he could have fought off those ninjas the way he did. And what was with that seen with the little boy sword-fighting the ninja!?! The kid was a KID. Against an adult assassin, and he can spar with the guy!?!

I swear, I hate Hollywood...

[chris davis 200]

HAHAHAH agree with you hollywood normally sucks ass when it comes to realism!

but ...

In reality a face to face battle between samurai and ninja would have the samurai coming out on top! ninja were not as skilled combatants as proffessional Samurai in a face to face encounter. this is generally accepted by most historians. they did not need to be. they would attack through subdifuse and kunning not frontal assults!

The character played by Cruise was a very very skilled fighter and combatant prior to coming to Japan - he fought the native americans who had extremely advanced systems and was brought to Japan because of his fighting prowess.

It is not unreasonable to assume that in the situation he was found in he would have acted in such a way.

As for the kid. I would assume he was around 10 - by this time he would have quite a great deal of training in sword methods. And in the film he didnt spar with the ninja he held a sword up then got nocked down. Ok he probably would have been killed but we are talking hollywood here!

not a bad movie though! the sword play wasnt bad.

Cheers
Chris