ninjitsu

[fo2sh]

guys, i am a boxer and i really love the sport, but i just read about ninjitsu and i found it very interesting with all the skills and weapons they have.....so what do u think of it? from my point of view i think it is the most effective and dangerous martial art......is there a lot of gyms that train u how to be a NINJA?

[Hikage]

guys, i am a boxer and i really love the sport, but i just read about ninjitsu and i found it very interesting with all the skills and weapons they have.....so what do u think of it? from my point of view i think it is the most effective and dangerous martial art......is there a lot of gyms that train u how to be a NINJA?

Fo2sh -- I will admit that I am out of my realm. That is I belong over in teh Japanese arts and I am not a boxer. I do practice ninjitsu, but I'm not going to try to convince you that ninjitsu is the best. I just want to make sure that if you do get into it that you use your best judgement. I have been noticing more and more a division arriving in ninjitsu. There is one side that is grounded in the fundamentals of ninjitsu that have served the warriors for years. Signs of this kind of school is that they practice kihon happo (or fundamentls of 8) and you can see the influence of these fundamentals in all the techniques.

The other side is the side that appeals to the anime watcher in us. The side stresses stealth, invisibility, and techniques that don't seem to make a whole lot of sense. This kind is characterised by people talking an overwhelming amount of philosophy, history, and "spirituality" (whatever that means). All this talking is because there training is not founded in anything useful. These people can talk a good fight, but when it comes time to get on the floor, they sink like a brick so they tend to avoid actually showcasing their skills for their students.

Good luck in your search.

Hikage

[fo2sh]

thanks

thanks man that was useful, since u know about this stuff i also wanna ask u what u think of aikido, and do they use weapons in it?

[Hikage]

You're getting out of my expertice here so please take everything I say with a grain of salt.

Aikido -- Good art. Very relaxed people. A lot of locks, throws and take downs. They arent' the kind of people who play patty-cake with their opponents. It might be difficult to overcome some ofyour old boxing habits, or they might work to your advantage, I dunno. I like the art. Watch Steven Seagal he hs a 7th degree in it.

Weapons - I'm not really too sure. I know they use swords and I think staves. I'm not too sure about others.

-Hikage

[adacas]

I don't think ninjitsu is a good choice as far as effectiveness. You don't see too many ninjas in UFC or even training the military for that matter. All ninjas are good for are walking in the middle of the night in their pajamas and throwing powder into peoples faces. Aikido is alright if you can find a good style and a good teacher. Most of it is fluff and doesn't really work when applied to real situations. But again if you find a good school and an open minded teacher then you should be fine. If you are thinking of weapons training then you should definately look into eskrima or arnis. With what you will learn in eskrima you should be able to use almost any weapon effectively. Also they have some pretty good disarms and a little empty hand as well. Perhaps some grapping styles like brazilian jujitsu will suit you right.

[fo2sh]

welll

well i just i got so excited, yesterday i joined an aikido dojo i realy like the sensai he knows what he is doing [3 dan] and i think if u master this art then nobody can stop u coz they learn how how defend against all weapons and how to break bones and kill, i mean i dont think any one could beat a man like steven segal he is a great master with 7 dan , so i think i will continue and see what happens, thanks guys

[BadgerFu57]

I think lots of people could stop a 7th or 3rd dan in aikido. Not your average folk, but I am sure there are lots of people.

-Terrorists with AK-47s
-Policemen with shotguns
-knife-wielding lunaticks
-Randy Couture or Vitor Belfort
-Someone with a bucket of steaming water
-Someone with a blowgun
-Ninjas that sneak around at night
-Another 6th dan in Aikido
-A mob of rioting teenagers
-A Bad Burrito at Taco Bell

[BadgerFu57]

also Aikidoka don't (or shouldn't if they are true aikido-ka) focus on killing people. The point of aikido is to defend yourself while doing as little harm as possible to the other person. It's not about beating the s*** out of people. It's about making the world a better place.

[krys]

Dude don't give up boxing....
I have nothing against aikido, I am sure they have some usefull skills, but I haven't seen yet an aikidoka who could stop a boxer.
Coming to weapon there are very few peoples who could (unarmed) stop a reasonably skilled escrimador if he attacks with a weapon...

[adacas]

Well if you are intrested in being a ninja, sneaking around and killing people then well i would have to say no. Ninjitsu the martail arts part is rare enough, but i dont think that your local gold's gym will have ninja instructors. But if you are intrested in espionage then go into the army, and after that join the agency's SAS (Special Activities Staff, not to be confused with the British and Australian Special Air Services). But of course that is if you make it through the training.

If you are intrested in this you may find this link of intrest.
http://www.specialoperations.com/Dom...S/Default.html

You know what with all this talk of the army and that damn book I'm starting to think that H2h really isn't some punk 16 year old kid but in fact an army recruiter! What did the army of 1 slogan not do it for you so now you got to fill up our forums with this army mumbo jumbo.

[Hikage]

THat's an easy one... Army of 1, built on individuals to form a whole entity. It's no different than me saying your a body of 1 Atom. You have nothing without even 1 atom.

Keep in mind, the idea is that they are trying to promote joining the army. WHen one thinks of the army, you think of one huge body represented by 1 word (army) which congugates into the 3rd person singular. BY saying an army of one, this places stress on the idea that someone like you (insert Uncle Sam poster) is an individual and helps to make up the body of the army. Don't quote me, but that's what I get from it.

I would like to commemorate you on your decision to join the military, especially at 16. So few @ 16 are thinking past their next car.

Now, onto ninjitsu...

I have to agree with h2h that I too am bothered by the phrase "train u how to be a ninja." The definition of ninja is one who practices ninjitsu.. ok... but I have never called myself a ninja, and I really haven't met any serious ninjitsu practioner who does because it carries a negative connotation. If I were to say taht I'm a ninja, instantly you'd think me to be the guy dressed up in urban camo or black pajamas running through the streets at night hunting evil doers (or good doers). If it is teh stealth and espionage you are seeking, follow h2h's advice and join the SpecOps. If you are intersted in a good art to defend yourself, then stick with your decision to follow the arts.

Now keep in mind, I'm not totally daft (is that how you Brits spell it?). I know that you said you already joined an aikido class (and congratulations, it takes some people years to make up their mind)... I'm talking here to the other people who are reading this and thinking about doing something similar to what you were when you started this thread.

H2H -- just to throw mud in your eye... the Gold's Gym near has a Hatsumi-certified ninjitsu instructor at it (but he's not where I go.)

-Hikage

[guy incognito]

You guys do know your in the boxing forum right?

[darrianation]

Dude don't give up boxing....
I have nothing against aikido, I am sure they have some usefull skills, but I haven't seen yet an aikidoka who could stop a boxer.
Coming to weapon there are very few peoples who could (unarmed) stop a reasonably skilled escrimador if he attacks with a weapon...

I agree with Krys. Boxing is awsome!

I am not sold on Aikido either though I try to keep an open mind. One of my best freinds is a 4th dan in Aikido and a intructor but he still hasn't convinced me that AIkido is all that effective.

I've gone to his class a few times and it is interesting, he still hasn't come to mine even though I invite him about once a week. He keeps saying he'll come. I have also asked him to be a guest instructor at our Shotokan Dojo and teach us some Aikido. He hasn't as of yet.

I have challenged him many times to a friendy sparring match but he will only show me a few moves and techniques but he will not spar me. He says he'll break my arm or something to that effect will happen if we mixed Aikido with boxing/karate. I just roll my eyes at him and call him lame.

Although I think he's hounest and sincere I just don't buy the garbage that he'd break my arm if we sparred.

Do the Aikido for a while and see what you think, but don't give up your boxing.

[IPON]

You don't see too many ninjas in UFC

the only one I remeber was steve jenning( I think that was the name )in teh early UFC something like 3-6. He actully won but it was a fluke

[darrianation]

[QUOTE=IPON]

the only one I remeber was steve jenning( I think that was the name )in teh early UFC something like 3-6. He actully won but it was a fluke

His name was Steve Jennum in UFC 3