Karate Kids !

[CHOKE UK]

wardancer, I do not mean to imply that Thai boxing is best.

Simply that as a striking art,
there is no comparison.

Full Muay thai simply has less rules and is therefore more realistic.

So naturally with regard to striking, you will get a more realistic self-defence!

But I do not say that Thai Boxing is best full stop.

When I first attended bjja,
i found that my muay Thai was useless!

As I have said before,
You need both striking and ground.

And just as important is street-fighting techniques.

You can successfuly defend yourself sometimes in a fight without muay thai or bjja,
but it is best to have them.

So Karate is not even good at teaching One dimension, striking!

wardancer, care for a quick tango lol !

[CHOKE UK]

if you only see Karate on National Geographic Channel by Josette Normeandu.... you will truely impressed...........

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Sherwinc, dont get me wrong.

I would dearly love to see great karate, and if i were impressed then i'd be more than happy!

But from my own personal experience ,
regarding self defence, karate has been more fake than the Iraqi torture pictures!

but if you can prove otherwise then great........

I dont say all karate is crap, but all that i have seen has been!

where can i find this nat geographic business?

[sherwinc]

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Sherwinc, dont get me wrong.

I would dearly love to see great karate, and if i were impressed then i'd be more than happy!

But from my own personal experience ,
regarding self defence, karate has been more fake than the Iraqi torture pictures!

but if you can prove otherwise then great........

I dont say all karate is crap, but all that i have seen has been!

where can i find this nat geographic business?

in the National Geographic Channel in Cable Television

Topic: Martial Arts

by: Josette Normeando

every friday and sunday nights......

there are also topics such as Muay Thai, Aikido, Savate, Capoeira, etc...
its a one topic per week show.....

i never see any Karate that look like that since my whole life..... perhaps, shorin ryu karate, etc..... is all i see here in my place.....

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Choke UK:

there is one thing I find MT lacking compared to Karate
In Karate when an oponent turns his back you learn to attack it, it is a legal target in MT it isn't thus a karateka won't turn his back towards you long enough to attack it ( a good karateka that is)

What's wrong with karate is wrong with most MA that have styles, we nowadays stick to the style, often even for life, whereas our teachers or their teachers didn't do that, they went to different teachers combining what their learned, this was normal to do but stopped once it was introduced to the masses
They were never meant for the masses but for the chosen few

Lets be karate thankfull for one thing, indirect it brought us all the other MA
It made the Koreans introduce TKD, the chinese eventually KF, it made people experiment with full contact and kickboxing and discover MT
From MT we got a taste for MMA and because the Gracies were dominating that we discovered BJJ ( that actually makes the circle round because it all started with JJJ followed by Judo)
Karate has been a hell of a cathalist
And to get back to the threadtopic, it can be a fine cathalist to get over the fear of fighting before getting to heavier contact training

Karate is like learning to be a carpenter but the school doesn't let you saw, hammer or screw anything because they considder it to dangerous hence they have come up with strange excercises to learn the movement of it
Now we know how to move the saw in a strait line because otherwise it will bend, until the first time you put the saw in a piece of wood, you don't know how much force is needed
now 2 thinks might happen either not enough force or too much force right from the start is given, both resulting in the saw only going a few inches ( to much will most likely bend the saw)
I was lucky, I wasn't taught the strait line

[CHOKE UK]

Choke UK:

there is one thing I find MT lacking compared to Karate
In Karate when an oponent turns his back you learn to attack it, it is a legal target in MT it isn't thus a karateka won't turn his back towards you long enough to attack it ( a good karateka that is)

What's wrong with karate is wrong with most MA that have styles, we nowadays stick to the style, often even for life, whereas our teachers or their teachers didn't do that, they went to different teachers combining what their learned, this was normal to do but stopped once it was introduced to the masses
They were never meant for the masses but for the chosen few

Lets be karate thankfull for one thing, indirect it brought us all the other MA
It made the Koreans introduce TKD, the chinese eventually KF, it made people experiment with full contact and kickboxing and discover MT
From MT we got a taste for MMA and because the Gracies were dominating that we discovered BJJ ( that actually makes the circle round because it all started with JJJ followed by Judo)
Karate has been a hell of a cathalist
And to get back to the threadtopic, it can be a fine cathalist to get over the fear of fighting before getting to heavier contact training

Karate is like learning to be a carpenter but the school doesn't let you saw, hammer or screw anything because they considder it to dangerous hence they have come up with strange excercises to learn the movement of it
Now we know how to move the saw in a strait line because otherwise it will bend, until the first time you put the saw in a piece of wood, you don't know how much force is needed
now 2 thinks might happen either not enough force or too much force right from the start is given, both resulting in the saw only going a few inches ( to much will most likely bend the saw)
I was lucky, I wasn't taught the strait line

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Very nicely put Toudiyama!

Yes you do have some good points there,
especially regarding, Karate bringing MA to the masses!

But I remember from my child hood being mad about two people.

Bruce Lee and remember David Caradine....was he called Ling Chung?
in the series Kung Fu.

They were my biggest influenses at the time!

[darrianation]

Choke UK:

there is one thing I find MT lacking compared to Karate
In Karate when an oponent turns his back you learn to attack it, it is a legal target in MT it isn't thus a karateka won't turn his back towards you long enough to attack it ( a good karateka that is)

What's wrong with karate is wrong with most MA that have styles, we nowadays stick to the style, often even for life, whereas our teachers or their teachers didn't do that, they went to different teachers combining what their learned, this was normal to do but stopped once it was introduced to the masses
They were never meant for the masses but for the chosen few

Lets be karate thankfull for one thing, indirect it brought us all the other MA
It made the Koreans introduce TKD, the chinese eventually KF, it made people experiment with full contact and kickboxing and discover MT
From MT we got a taste for MMA and because the Gracies were dominating that we discovered BJJ ( that actually makes the circle round because it all started with JJJ followed by Judo)
Karate has been a hell of a cathalist
And to get back to the threadtopic, it can be a fine cathalist to get over the fear of fighting before getting to heavier contact training

Karate is like learning to be a carpenter but the school doesn't let you saw, hammer or screw anything because they considder it to dangerous hence they have come up with strange excercises to learn the movement of it
Now we know how to move the saw in a strait line because otherwise it will bend, until the first time you put the saw in a piece of wood, you don't know how much force is needed
now 2 thinks might happen either not enough force or too much force right from the start is given, both resulting in the saw only going a few inches ( to much will most likely bend the saw)
I was lucky, I wasn't taught the strait line

Awsome, post Bro'.

[darrianation]

Karate is like training wheels!

[CHOKE UK]

Karate is like training wheels!

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darrianation, karate is like ....Training wheels???????

Is that an acient japanese proverb?

That makes "wax-on wax-off" sound good!!!!
LOL

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Karate is like training wheels!

yeah and we all know people with an inner ear problem can't do without them

[Toudiyama[NL]]

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Very nicely put Toudiyama!

Yes you do have some good points there,
especially regarding, Karate bringing MA to the masses!

But I remember from my child hood being mad about two people.

Bruce Lee and remember David Caradine....was he called Ling Chung?
in the series Kung Fu.

They were my biggest influenses at the time!

Kwai Chang Cane, Lian Chian Po was the Blind Master

Yeah that Serie was a huge invluence on MA too

[CHOKE UK]

Kwai Chang Cane, Lian Chian Po was the Blind Master

Yeah that Serie was a huge invluence on MA too

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Ah yes you mean Mr ping pong eyes!

And caradines moveswere so elegant,
as they were shot in slow motion!

i used to meet up with my mates after every episode and we would try to re-enact the moves.
usually to disasterous effect!

[Thai Bri]

Lin Chung was in the Water Margin, ya gonk!

[CHOKE UK]

We have already established that ling chung wasnt his name. ya gonk!

Toudi explained his correct name!

So was that what influenced you Bri thai, the water Margin?

How long can you jump up in the air for, monkey?
lol

[wardancer]

Sorry,
I have been busy this week and can only reply this week-end!
Choke UK:
I do enjoy your posts and you are not far from the truth (from my perspective, anyway!).
There is a lot of reasons why I do not do Karate anymore and some of your karate critisims you mentioned are not far from my reasons.

However, you have 'nicely' dodge my enquiry about your Karate experience that is so relevant to you credibility in your thread about Karate Kid Club: If you have not experienced Karate as a Kid in a Club, How can you said it is bad? If YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY CREDENTIALS??
What next, you 'mocking' around Nin-jutsu..just because one guy got his ass kick in UFC?..
Yes of course, you will do so..in New Zealand..the Ninja Club are the first participants that organise/took part in cage-fighting/vale tudo event. You are just want to ride to popularity of your self-claimed MA experience from others achievement and your 'smart'
sofa lounge self proclaimed expertise.
Let me tell the other readers about such level of 'denial', we have a few good BJJ clubs in New Zealand. A few of them had/invited ROYCE GRACIE for a seminar..imagine the hero himself..just like Choke UK..they run their mouths about a new born MA..BLABLA...They did not bother even to participate in the first national BJJ open tournament? Now where do we go from there? Close the doors to them or keep our national BJJ tournament open for everybody?
I do look foward to read this forum..I find it intelligent and encouraging..however you have lost my respect for you and your inputs...
Afterall, you are just like one of those guys just "howling" outside the MA circles..

I never did that..never close the door to new students..new techniques...new ideas..
You are just a jack of all trade..master of none..I have met plenty people just like you in real life to know..

[Thai Bri]

It was Kwai Chang Caine that got me into martial arts also!

As regards Karate, I do feel qualifired to slag it off. I studied for 5 years and got to 1st Kyu Brown Belt. But, in all honesty, why do you think someone has to become an expert in something before they call it shite?

I mean, do you have to have a black belt 10th Dan in Line Dancing to know that is a crap fighting art too?