Olympic Judo

[jubaji]

Hello,the NAZI'S looked gentle compared to the Shinto sponsored Japanese army.

Don't you mean the Christian sponsored Nazis?

[Beginner]

American prisoners held by the Japanese during World War Two were 17 times more likly to suffer death then those held by Nazi Germany. Hello,the NAZI'S looked gentle compared to the Shinto sponsored Japanese army.Do you think all americans want to honor that crap by having to participate in Shinto religon practices? The VAST majority of Americans retch at the idea of thier children being around a bunch of suck-up moonies that honor that kind of bullshit. And for what ? So they can be brainwashed or indoctrinated into some self styled egomanics little cult group? Oh master teach me the secrets of your martial art. How about this. Yeah THIS is the secret of martial arts and that is that people use it as a pretext for egocentric cult worship. I.E.- to get money, sex, ego strokes, etc........


And thanks for being my proofreader.

Whoa, hold on right there! I'd rather be a prisoner of the Japanese Imperial Army back in WWII than of the Nazis. I'm sure you're going to get a lot of reaction to that statement. 17 times more? Read books on World History, professor.

Man, you have issues with what the Japanese had done almost 60 years ago. Wake up, Greenthinks. The war's over & globalization is starting to peak. If you're so adamant about the Japanese culture (or any culture for that matter) why do you even practive Judo?

Competitive Judo my a@$! Any martial artist becomes competitive once he/she joins competitions or tournaments. Any system that continues to progress w/ technological advances & evolves w/ practical uses could be called competitive the moment they organize a tournament. You think that just because you proclaim your school as teaching Competitve Judo, your Judo didn't come from your fantasy Shinto cult? Get real. Almost every other thing you're using came from, or contain, something that came from other countries - including Japan! You think none of the students in your school wear at least one imported piece of clothing? What car do you drive? Do you even know that even American car manufacturers have tie ups w/ Japanese companies? Better check your car's spark plugs, they could've come from a production line in a factory situated a block away from a temple.

Are you racist? Don't make me think you are because as amused I am in exchanging posts w/ you, I am disgusted with people who judge others by their color, race or nationality. In other words, if you are I'm done w/ you.

No problem w/ the proofreading. It is just right to help those who are badly in need.

[GREENTHINKS]

ALOT of American prisoners of war were starved ,beaten and subjected to all kinds of inhumanity because of surrendering peaceably.They were made to bow before getting their heads cut off. Forced bowing is the ultimate humiliation in oriental culture.
This is only one reason why bowing and Shinto religous ceremonies are culturally inappropriate in western culture. Within the framework of an organized sport. We want all people to enjoy the sport don't we? I mean didn't Kano invent Judo as a sport for the masses? Not some esoteric,quasi- religous spirit worship suck-up fest. I don't veiw bending over as a fighting posture.

[jubaji]

Forced bowing is the ultimate humiliation in oriental culture.
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You could not possibly be more ignorant about the things you are trying to discuss.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

. Forced bowing is the ultimate humiliation in oriental culture.

MAn you dare to say that, being American?
I think what happened in the Iraqi prison was ultimate humiliation in a foreign culture
You are talking war here, the US detained thousands of inocent people from japanese descent during WW II
No side remains innocent during a war, that much has become clear the last couple of years

I can see why a patriot like you, wouldn't see where the US has gone wrong but in my book keeping Pinochet in place waasn't a good thing, should we blame that on Christianity? seeing that the majority of the citizens is christian, or just on the goverment of those times

The Shinto you mention seized to excist at the end of WW II, it was state shinto, which was so oppresive that it even oppresed the Shrine Shinto, which is what we got today
Your beef is with Shinto and you see bowing as a representation of that.
This is what's flawed, in the whole of asia people bow, only Japan has Shinto.
It is your mindset that makes it submisive, just because it is so in your religion doesn't mean it is so for others.
What is it K? why this need to keep others from bowing, are you scared your "God" will judge the whole of humanity as one and that you will be pulled down by others?
Must be something like this

What I do not undestand at all is the arrogance that you seem to think that the best physical specimens are always from the US and that changing the training would ensure you the Olympic medals

[IPON]

I don't veiw bending over as a fighting posture.

No I am sure you just view it as a way to pleasure yourself. You John Holmes must have great workouts. He's a big name that I'm sure gives you stifff competition switching from movies to judo and all.



Kevin listen, you seem have good knowlege of judo and its history (albeit somewhat twisted). Forget the Shinto and ethno-religious junk and let's just have a discussion of what is wrong with US Judo as compared to the rest of the world from your perspective. What do you feel should be improved to make the US more competitive?

[Tom Yum]

ALOT of American prisoners of war were starved ,beaten and subjected to all kinds of inhumanity because of surrendering peaceably.They were made to bow before getting their heads cut off. Forced bowing is the ultimate humiliation in oriental culture.
This is only one reason why bowing and Shinto religous ceremonies are culturally inappropriate in western culture.

You're making some aggressive accusations.

How long did you live in Japan and during what time period? Do you have long-term friendships with any Japanese? Approximately how many kanji can you identify? Are you forced to bow outside of judo school i.e. at home? in middle school against your will? Were you ever molested by a Japanese person as a youngster? Do you currently live in a multicultural environment? Do you 'fear' things Asian? Do you fear things non-Christian or are you comfortable with your own relationship with God?

Before you get added to everyone's ignore list or recommended for banning, do answer the above questions so you can try to legitimize yourself.

[GREENTHINKS]

Classical Judo as practiced in America is a mental illness.

It causes uncritical adherance to outdated and sometimes dangerous training methods. There is certainly nothing wrong with questioning the status quo especially in light of the 50 years of failure in U.S.Judo.

My Granpa used to shoot Japs on the island of Guam.He landed on the second wave . They would sneak in to watch the movies while he was guarding the marines. He was a Navy Seabee. I also heard stories about him having to pick up pieces of bodies so they had enough to send home.My father was a navy fighter pilot on reserve for the invasion of Japan. So I don't get too worked up about NUKEING them either.I hope that answers your questions.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Well....there you have it, the use of the word Japs sez it all

[jubaji]

Classical Judo as practiced in America is a mental illness.

Well, now we know what drew you to it.

[jubaji]

My Granpa used to shoot Japs on the island of Guam.:

The word is "Japanese" you sick freak.

[IPON]

My Granpa used to shoot Japs on the island of Guam.

So I don't get too worked up about NUKEING them either.

You really are an inhuman sick piece of shit

[Tom Yum]

Classical Judo as practiced in America is a mental illness.

It causes uncritical adherance to outdated and sometimes dangerous training methods. There is certainly nothing wrong with questioning the status quo especially in light of the 50 years of failure in U.S.Judo.

My Granpa used to shoot Japs on the island of Guam.He landed on the second wave . They would sneak in to watch the movies while he was guarding the marines. He was a Navy Seabee. I also heard stories about him having to pick up pieces of bodies so they had enough to send home.My father was a navy fighter pilot on reserve for the invasion of Japan. So I don't get too worked up about NUKEING them either.I hope that answers your questions.

Yeah, it does.

I've noticed how you've previously used the Bible to perpetrate your own hatred of the Japanese as an entire race. This being emotionally justified by the war that your family was involved in. The book of Mathew says that "Nation will rise up against Nation." War happens and the cruelty that comes along with it.

You need to deal with the theme of your issue and separate it from the Japanese people. The theme being violent empires that send people to their graves, not bowing, Japanese culture.

PS - Japan surrendered WW2 in the mid 40's I think. After 60 some years, its time to move on We're no longer at war with Japan. It would be much better if you could make more Japanese friends.

A highschool classmate of mine was blownup in Afghanistan clearing land mines. While it frustrates me, I know that the perpetrators are extremist militants, not the Afghani people.

[GREENTHINKS]

What's wrong with the word JAPS???? AND where is my apology for calling me a liar Toudyyama?

SHINTO INSPIRED world take over. Cult of the sun? Hello don't you people listen. SHINTO SHINTO SHINTO. Actually it was Shinto militants.

You asked I answered. Just the facts. So my Granpa having to stuff body bags with body parts doesn't mean much to you weak ass peices of shit huh. Well how about the babies the JAPS used to toss up in the air and catch on their bayonets. That O.K. too? Or do you want to play semantics some more.How about the little BANQUETS where they sat around and ATE American pilots. A little Sushi huh. That o.k. too. Just don't use the wrong word to describe the little cannibals.

You don't understand do you? Most Japanese understand the damage Shinto militants did to their homeland , plus their negihboring countries as well. Not all Japanese are of the Shinto faith either.They don't understand why people in the U.S. pretend to be Shinto in judo contests? Its Cult crap at least in the U.S. okay?For control purposes. The same way some people use Christianity for selfish purposes. The same way Al Qaida ( spit on the ground) uses the Moslem religion. Or the Nazi's used Christianity to justify their little world takeover.

How does this fit into an organized sport? It doesn't . It results in 50 years of U.S. judo FAILURE!

How can you call me a racist when you don't even know what race I claim to belong to?
Should we change the Seig Heil nazi salute to mean "Just respect"? Just because you say so doesn't change the connotations .Maybe we should all say SEIG HEIL and if anybody questions it we can just say it is paying RESPECT? I mean other countries seig heiled also. Austrian, French, TURNCOAT DUTCHMEN, Bulgarians ,Romainiens,it was a regional thing too ,just like bowing. It just shows respect right.It doesn't matter that it represents murder and suffering on an ENORMOUS scale.
It is for respect. It just means you like Mercedes and Volkswagons true?

What do you think Toudyyama. You guys would ALL be SEIG HEILING if it wasn't for the U.S anyway. Heh and if you get over to NORMANDY make sure you don't trip over the THOUSANDS of U.S, troops gravestones, while you are contemplating the nose on your face and reasons not to believe in GOD.

[jubaji]

SHINTO INSPIRED world take over.

So my Granpa having to stuff body bags with body parts doesn't mean much to you weak ass peices of shit huh. :

Every word only confirms your ignorance and stupidity. Nice of you to disgrace your grandfather's service by the way. He didn't fight so you could wallow in cowardice and racist bullshit. Don't you at least respect him?