If someone trains in bujinkan ninjutsu for 15 years how good shold he be?

[Andrew WA]

How good would a guy who has trained in bujinkan be after 15 years? I met a guy who claims this and he is like the same age or younger then me and I am 22.

[Hikage]

How good would a guy who has trained in bujinkan be after 15 years? I met a guy who claims this and he is like the same age or younger then me and I am 22.

He should be entering the low master ranks (4 - 5 dan). He should have all of his basics completely solid and be able to mix and create with them appropritately. He should be able to flow from one situation to the next, w/o any hint of paniked jerkiness to his movements, no scenario should be surprising to him. He should be able to speak wisely of his art, on everything including: history, tradition, proper technique, body mechanics, internal workings of the body, and should possess a limited intimacy with chi.

Given what you have said, he probably was taught by his father starting at an early age. I wouldn't necessarily guaruntee that his expertise reaches the level I have explained. Growing up in the movements would mean that the footwork would be more natural to him, but the explanations of mechanics and the techniques themselves might be that of a lower, however still capable, rank (perhaps 2nd or 3rd dan).

If I were you are seriously interested in ninjitsu, I'd still train under him. However, know that there are better out there. Not to take any respect away from your instructor, but any chance you have, I'd get to know his instructor as well, if possible. Nevertheless, he is more than capable to get you started and even through the low dan ranks (1st - 2nd dan).

-Hikage

PS> As always, my mention of ranking is subjective, only listed to give those with an understanding of the dan system a general idea.

[m.artist]

How good would a guy who has trained in bujinkan be after 15 years? I met a guy who claims this and he is like the same age or younger then me and I am 22.

How good do you think he should be?
Has he answered your questions you've had without stuttering, or changing the subject?
Does he seem to know what he is supposed to know after 15 years of Bujinkan training? Has he been able to show you what he knows? Can he show you the difference between a vertical punch and a an axe kick? And those can be any Bujinkan techniques for that matter. The point is, has he come across as a person who is honest, honorable, and trustworthy?
If he actually knows his stuff, then training with him for a few days will obviously show you if he is qualified or not.

wow. look at all that correct grammar. go me!

[Broadsword2004]

If it is ninjutsu, he should be able to sneak up on you very easily I think, because special forces of the military learn this stuff in a period of about a year. Now, granted the train full-time for it, but if the guy is 22 and has been doing it for 15 years, he should've gotten it down by then I'd think.

I wouldn't believe anyone who told me they had trained in "ninjutsu" though. That art is bull**** nowadays, even if the real ninjutsu that real ninja used was effective; you know it is B.S. when a 45 year-old woman says she likes the art because "it doesn't require physical strength, so a woman can do it too."

I don't know what she is smoking, and I feel sorry for all those people if the day comes when they get a fist smashed into their side and can't recover.

Hell, the b-boy dancers here I have sparred with, and these are guys in their early 20's who are in far more shape then said 40-something woman, and THEY ran out of breath on me in like 60 seconds!!!

[Hikage]

If it is ninjutsu, he should be able to sneak up on you very easily I think, because special forces of the military learn this stuff in a period of about a year. Now, granted the train full-time for it, but if the guy is 22 and has been doing it for 15 years, he should've gotten it down by then I'd think.

I wouldn't believe anyone who told me they had trained in "ninjutsu" though. That art is bull**** nowadays, even if the real ninjutsu that real ninja used was effective; you know it is B.S. when a 45 year-old woman says she likes the art because "it doesn't require physical strength, so a woman can do it too."

I don't know what she is smoking, and I feel sorry for all those people if the day comes when they get a fist smashed into their side and can't recover.

Hell, the b-boy dancers here I have sparred with, and these are guys in their early 20's who are in far more shape then said 40-something woman, and THEY ran out of breath on me in like 60 seconds!!!

................. Here we go .

-Hikage

[koto_ryu]

If it is ninjutsu, he should be able to sneak up on you very easily I think, because special forces of the military learn this stuff in a period of about a year. Now, granted the train full-time for it, but if the guy is 22 and has been doing it for 15 years, he should've gotten it down by then I'd think.

I wouldn't believe anyone who told me they had trained in "ninjutsu" though. That art is bull**** nowadays, even if the real ninjutsu that real ninja used was effective; you know it is B.S. when a 45 year-old woman says she likes the art because "it doesn't require physical strength, so a woman can do it too."

I don't know what she is smoking, and I feel sorry for all those people if the day comes when they get a fist smashed into their side and can't recover.

Hell, the b-boy dancers here I have sparred with, and these are guys in their early 20's who are in far more shape then said 40-something woman, and THEY ran out of breath on me in like 60 seconds!!!

Ever trained with one? It'll sure be a sobering experience when you do

[Andrew WA]

Haha B boy dancers fight? I thought all they did was spin around and jump up and do power ranger moves in the air at each other and then all the G's watching with their arms crossed go "OHHHH!!!!!" and then one gets up and starts busting out ryhmes and isulting the other and everyone goes "OHHHHOHOHOHO!! YO!!! G!! WORD!!!"

Anyway the guy I was talking about is really skinny too. I only met him once and he is not aan instructor or asking me to train under him. he just said he has trained for 15 years and I told him we need to get together and he needs to show me his stuff. He said it was bujinkan and that his instructor was in Ohio and he is master Van something. Some german Van in the middle of his name. Anyone know what I am talking about?
He seems to know some stuff about ninjutsu but I didnt quiz him on much. I hope to talk to him more and spar with him. I also want him to show me katana and then sneak up on me and prove it. Im kind of skeptical but he is a cool guy and I think he would be fun to train with at my house or something nonetheless. I dont think he is lying I think possibly his instructor could have lied to him. but he has yet to prove himself.

[Andrew WA]

Wait I remember now it was "richard van donk". Who is he?

[jubaji]

Wait I remember now it was "richard van donk". Who is he?

Didn't he star in 'Eight is Enough'?

[koto_ryu]

Wait I remember now it was "richard van donk". Who is he?

Shihan van Donk is a 14th dan in Bujinkan Ninjutsu and the highest ranking non-Japanese member of the Bujinkan. He started the American Bujinkan Dojo (which now merged into International Bujinkan Dojo Association) and was one of the major contributing forces to bringing ninjutsu to where it is today. He's also a master in De Cuerdas Eskrima (taught by the late Grandmaster De Cuerdas himself), and is the senior Shihan outside of Japan for the Enbukan schools of Iaido and Batto Jutsu. He also holds black belt level or above in Jujitsu, Aikijutsu, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, and Aikido and, coming sometime next year, should be getting promoted to 15th dan (of which Soke said there will be very few for the Bujinkan). He is also a personal student of Soke Hatsumi, one of very few. However, he lives in Santa Clara, CA so if your friend is saying he's learning off him in OH you might want to make sure it's actually Shihan van Donk he's talking about.

[koto_ryu]

Didn't he star in 'Eight is Enough'?

http://www.becoming.net/eie/cast.html

Nope, that was Dick Van Patten

[jubaji]

http://www.becoming.net/eie/cast.html

Nope, that was Dick Van Patten

Wow. The guy from Eight is Enough was a ninja! Who knew?

[Andrew WA]

No he isnt currently training there. he said he used to take classes along time ago with that guy and has trained with him for about 15 years or something. Or maybe he trained with him for a lot of years and then moved and trained under another guy. Anyway he isnt currently training and I am from Kentucky so I do not think there is any ninjutsu places here, just a crapload of Taekwondo and Karate and some kung fu.

[koto_ryu]

Wow. The guy from Eight is Enough was a ninja! Who knew?

Now you're just being retarded As for if there are schools near you, I found these three:

Bujinkan Akahige Dojo
Kevin Schneider 5265 Madison Pike; Independence, KY 41051
phone: (606) 356-2967 or e-mail: MFazekas@iglou.com

Bujinkan Lexington Dojo
Trey Willmott, Instructor
3459 Buckhorn Plaza Suite 1
Lexington, KY 40517
859-245-5082
E-mail: rwillmott@lycos.com

YOSHIN DOJO
seniorteacher: Todd Schweinhart
url: www.yoshindojo.com

[jubaji]

Now you're just being retarded [/url]

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