Real jujutsu

[LoneWolf1]

Does anyone else study a more traditional style of jujutsu. One that was invented before 1812. In my opinion jujutsu has gotten a bad rep for not being a full art. This infact is not true, the style of jujutsu i study has striking. These were the more combat oriented techniques which use atemi points and other weak points of the body as targets.

[koto_ryu]

I studied Nihon-Ryu for a while, it's still very much a combat art. The class I was in was excellent, you learn to go hard first then soft, as once you know how hard it takes to go you can be much softer than if it was the reverse, where you'd always be too soft and ineffective. We had striking and dirty tricks, throws, locks, breaks, etc. It's still pretty small but it's growing, and it's been around for a loooong time

[LoneWolf1]

Koto is Nihon ryu a full art ie. jujutsu, kenjutsu, battojutsu, yarijutsu,hojojutsu i think u see what i'm gettin at.

[koto_ryu]

No, it only focuses mainly on unarmed combat. That's why I enjoy the Bujinkan so much as it is a complete school and has everything in it.

[IPON]

In my opinion jujutsu has gotten a bad rep for not being a full art. This infact is not true, the style of jujutsu i study has striking.

This is confusing I don't think anyone would consider Jujutsu an incomplete style, BJJ perhaps, but not JJJ.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Striking in Japanese Jujitsu

Striking wasn't added to Japanese Jujitsu until after the occupation of Okinawa. Before that, the most complcated striking technique was a stomp to the face after a throw. Striking was added to help understand the enemy and was adopted by the Japanese because they wanted karate taught in the Japanese school system. They simply added their enemys most effective techniques. Japanese jujitsu evolved from the samuri sword fighting. When a samuri would attempt to draw his sword and his enemy would grab his wrist to stop the draw, the samuri would do a joint lock, then be able to draw his sword and finish off his enemy. Everything else evolved from this.

[Ironpalm]

Striking wasn't added to Japanese Jujitsu until after the occupation of Okinawa. Before that, the most complcated striking technique was a stomp to the face after a throw. Striking was added to help understand the enemy and was adopted by the Japanese because they wanted karate taught in the Japanese school system. They simply added their enemys most effective techniques. Japanese jujitsu evolved from the samuri sword fighting. When a samuri would attempt to draw his sword and his enemy would grab his wrist to stop the draw, the samuri would do a joint lock, then be able to draw his sword and finish off his enemy. Everything else evolved from this.

Nice! Looking foward to your visit.

[LoneWolf1]

There were many striking attacks before karate came over the reason many are not practiced today are because most were divised to be leathal. So many teachers do not teach them until the most advanced stages in training. Some examples of such strikes are One-finger spear hand, half fist, eagle beak, forefinger one-knuckle fist (some of the more exotic stikes).

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Who came to who?

[QUOTE=LoneWolf1]There were many striking attacks before karate came over


Karate didn't come to jujitsu. The japanese invaided Okinawa (an independent country until 1908) and had karate taught in the school system, not for any real understanding, but to make the japanese children more physically fit for future events (WWII). What is commonly refered to as Okinawan karate here in the U.S. is actually the japanese sports version. Even japanese terminology from the school system found its way into the dojo. Terms like sempi and kohi aren't from martial arts, there from the school. All the strikes you listed weren't a part of Japanese jujitsu until sometime in the late 1800's. the Japanese took them from the Okinawans, who had taken them from the Chinese centuries before. A good source of info. on this is "Karate-Do, my way and life" by Gichin Funakoshi, who is considered by most to be the father of modern karate, IE.. after the Japanese invasion.

Mahalo, Jeremy

[Ironpalm]

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[Jeremy Lobdell]

Question

I was told that most of the exotic strikes were utelized by a particular master( mainly from China) due to a birth defect or deformity in a limb, and striking in this style was done out of necessity, somewhat along the lines of the creation of Penki Silat.

[Ironpalm]

I was told that most of the exotic strikes were utelized by a particular master( mainly from China) due to a birth defect or deformity in a limb, and striking in this style was done out of necessity, somewhat along the lines of the creation of Penki Silat.

Im sure with kung fu's varied history somewhere along the line thats true. It is certainly true if you cant drop a guy with your normal srtikes you are not going to stop him with fancy complicated movements or strikes.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Thats the common sense approach that will never get you far enough in all the political bs thats so prevalent in most ma systems. HAHA

[LoneWolf1]

Sorry for my ignorance

I didn't know that the strikes came from okinawan arts i assumed they were from jujutsu when it was first made from chinese arts ie Chi na, and various styles of chinese wrestling. I also thought kohi and sempi were words that meant senior and junior. is this correct. Ive only been doing jujutsu for a few months since most of my time in class is spent on kenjutsu and battojutsu, just the way my sensei teaches his interpretation of skinkage ryu.

[Jeremy Lobdell]

Please don't appologize.

Okinawa was the bridge between between China and Japan. Okinawa (the Ryu Kyu islands) was the center of trade and ideas passed freely between all 3 countries, just like they are doing on this forum tonight. Sempi translated means the one that came before you and kohi means the one that came after you. These terms were used when introducing a fellow student in the school system. They are commonly used in a dojo (usually to signify belt rank) but only refer to time.
Mahalo, Jeremy