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  • #31
    Pressure point kempo is really complicated because there are so many points along the meridians. You have to know which ones to rub, which ones to press and which ones to strike. It's easier to just defend yourself with lightning roughhouse tactics. I would suggest just learning the "BASICS" OF pressure point kempo. To me {IMHO} jujitsu is jujitsu whether it is small circle, bjj or japanese..........Once you master 1 style of jujitsu you will have the insight to see the similarities in all jujitsu.

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    • #32
      Pressure point Kempo

      Pressure point kempo works hand in hand with Small Circle jujitsu because George Dillman and Wally Jay did seminars teoghter all over the world for 20 years and are great friends. One style greatly compliments the other, the difference being the point of view, either striking or grappling. Both systems cover joint locking, as techniques were experimented with and shared between the grandmasters.
      Master Leon Jay is a 6th degree bb in Ryukyu Kempo under GM George Dillman. Leon does a really good job combining the 2 arts into a system that is very effective.
      Mahalo, Jeremy

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hardball
        You have to know which ones to rub, which ones to press and which ones to strike.
        Standard op instructions for dating too!

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        • #34
          Deer kata?

          Originally posted by Tom Yum
          Standard op instructions for dating too!
          Has anyone else ever hears of the deer kata?

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          • #35
            Big friggin circle

            Originally posted by shinbushi
            2nd On Jujutsu and striking I take from Koryu.com
            So the striking came from China directly not Ryukyu (Okinawa)
            Where do you think Ryukyu got it from?

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Tom Yum
              Small circle jujitsu and pressure point kempo sounds like a handy combination. Do you train the two regularly or just when the opportunity comes?
              If you were asking me, I use both teoghter in my training, as most of my techniques involve both striking and grappling and I try to change ranges as much as possible during training to try to make it more realistic. If the question wasn't for me, my bad!

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              • #37
                Question was for anyone. It seems like a nice combination.

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                • #38
                  Bump for Chris Ward................................

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                  • #39
                    "Real" Ju Jutsu?


                    Here's an excerpt from "The Origins of Judo and Jujitsu"
                    by Sumitomo Arima

                    Opinions differ as to the origin of the art. One traces it to Chin Gempin, a naturalized Chinese, of whom mention is made in the following paragraph. Another attributes it to Shirobei Akiyama, a physician at Nagasaki, who is stated to have learned three tricks of hakuda in China. A third, on the other hand, claims the art to be the production of pure Japanese ingenuity.

                    To state more in detail, Chin Gempin was naturalized as a Japanese subject in 1659 and died in 1671. While sojourning at the Kokushoji temple at Azabu, Tokyo (then Yedo), he, it is stated, taught three tricks of jujitsu to three ronin (samurai discharged from their lord's service). These ronin were Shichiroyemon Fukuno, Yojiyemon Miura and Jirozayemon Isogai, and after much study, they each founded their own schools of jujitsu. It is beyond doubt that what was learned by them consisted of three kinds of atewaza (that is to say, striking the vital and vulnerable parts of the body) of the Chinese kempo (pugilism). We cannot, therefore, arrive at the hasty conclusion that Chin is the founder of jujitsu in this country, though it must be stated to his credit that his teaching gave an undoubted impulse to the development of jujitsu.

                    The second of the-three views, conferring upon Shirobei Akiyama the honor of being the pioneer of jujitsu in Japan, is maintained by one of the Shinyo schools and is not supported by any other schools. This theory, like the preceding one, can scarcely hold water, since kempo and hakuda of China, the latter of which arts Akiyama learnt in that country, were no doubt confined solely to kicking and striking, and it is highly improbable that jujitsu, the art of throwing and killing, was originated by him.

                    What then, you may ask, has given rise to such incredible traditions? It is possible that the authors of the two views expressed above found it expedient to give to the Chinese the credit of being the founder of jujitsu in this country, for by this action they might gain the greater confidence of the public than declaring themselves as originators of the art — a consideration quite natural to exponents of new ideas and things. This supposition is in a way explained by the fact that in former days the Chinese were held in high esteem in Japan, as were Westerners later, so high indeed that our forefathers often accepted with undue credulity anything attributed to Chinese school of thought.

                    What may be considered as a strong proof against the above mentioned views is that both yawara and toride are referred to in a book styled "Kuyamigusa " (My Confessions) which was published in 1647, twelve years prior to the immigration of Chin Gempin. Moreover, the term kumiuchi is often found in still older books. These records afford ground for believing that jujitsu prevailed in Japan at a much earlier period. Further, the Takenouchi school, which is acknowledged by the majority of jujitsu professors to be the oldest of the kind, was founded in 1532 by Hisamori Takenouchi. It is therefore indisputable that that school was in existence long before Chin Gempin ever set foot on this land.

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                    • #40
                      I trained in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu and Ninjitsu at the same time. Don't know how old Danzan Ryu is (if it dates before 1812), however, I do believe it to be respectible. Not training in Jujitsu now because of back injury but had developed a passion for it. Intend to resume after back rehab. That constant day-in, day-out being thrown on the mat was taking it's toll. I do believe however that Jujitsu really has more than one history and is extremely effective. Judo was our randori so we really were being taught 2 systems. Think the system is not a Japanese system though. Hawaii maybe.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by sojobow
                        I trained in Danzan Ryu Jujitsu and Ninjitsu at the same time. Don't know how old Danzan Ryu is (if it dates before 1812), however, I do believe it to be respectible. Not training in Jujitsu now because of back injury but had developed a passion for it. Intend to resume after back rehab. That constant day-in, day-out being thrown on the mat was taking it's toll. I do believe however that Jujitsu really has more than one history and is extremely effective. Judo was our randori so we really were being taught 2 systems. Think the system is not a Japanese system though. Hawaii maybe.
                        danzan ryu is pretty good, its about self defense and has alotta shit. they do practice randori cause judo throws and grappling are all from ju jutsu. danzan is hawaiian, and isnt that old i think, the founder died not too long ago from some ailment he had always had.

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