olympic grappler match

[Toudiyama[NL]]

You're right, but I think he is also highly ranked in judo.

Plus a dad who intoduced TKD in the Netherlands

Donno about the judo, can't remember hearing his name in those circles
My dad used to be a judo instructor as well as a national referee so I would hear a lot about judo and have seen a lot when I was a member of the video-commision of the club ( at that time we used to do well nationally and not to bad at european level)

But something else, Yoshida is Judo isn't he?

Oh and most of us aren't very consistent, we allow the wrestler ground and pound, ground ok but since when is pounding part of wrestling?

[EmptyneSs]

wrestling doesnt really have any finishers, like the chokes and limb destructions that judo has, so who knows. judokas can gnp too.

[SamuraiGuy]

A wrestlers GNP would be in a NHB or UFC fight... I believe someone up there mentioned it.... saying a wrestler wouldnt fair as well in the UFC.

[shirase]

Toudiyama and Samurai bring up a good point, who said Judoka cant GNP?

But i dont think its a good idea to do these style vs style arguments, because fights are often unpredictable. There are many skilled grapplers in both Judo and Wrestling, I personally dont think one would dominate every fight, but I do think that it would be interesting to watch, and there could be some good matchups.

[jubaji]

Come on! The wrestler would destroy the Judoka, and lay waste to his entire village! There is no escape, there is no hope!

[Tom Yum]

I stand by my opinion that the wrestler is going to get his takedown most of the time, keep top position and put the judoka on defensive.

The judoka has a chance getting in a submission, but what wrestler these days hasn't heard of BJJ and hasn't seen or thought about working in the guard?

Maybe in 1992 Severn, Coleman, Frye and the others didn't understand the guard or submissions and got tapped. By 2000, I think most wrestlers have atleast seen a rear naked choke, armbar, triangle, guillotine. Even the ones that do not compete in MMA have probably been introduced to them at one time or another.

[GREENTHINKS]

If wearing clothes the judo player would have the advantage. If just skin the wrestler especially when wet( sweaty). But Judo encompasses all the wrestling pretty much and it adds more, armbars chokes etc.Wrestlers have a much broader base numbers wise in the U.S.
The first one to land a good punch usually wins as Shamrock is the example of that.

But Judo is the superior grappling sport as it allows a wider array of grips because of the suit , and has the devastating throws ...BAM.

[jubaji]

If wearing clothes the judo player would have the advantage. .

against another judoka.






I've found judoka to be kinda weak at defending leg shots.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

against another judoka.






I've found judoka to be kinda weak at defending leg shots.

Leg shot, like a double leg takedown you mean, for judoka AKA ryote ashi dori, I would take it that they should be able to defend against that

For Tom Yum.
If you do not intend to ever enter MMA why would you learn those things
Now if you intend to enter, it makes sense you will know this stuff even before
But same hold true for Judoka, if they already plan to enter MMA at a later stage, they will know about GNP (it's just that less Judoka than wrestlers make the switch)

[jubaji]

Leg shot, like a double leg takedown you mean, for judoka AKA ryote ashi dori, I would take it that they should be able to defend against that

"Should be" is fine, but I've found that they are less proficient at it than your average 'rassler, just like the average judoka tends to have better throws.

[medic06]

I think it all comes down to who has the better skills, and who can implement their game plan first. Wrestlers typically are some tough hombres to beat

[Tant01]

against another judoka.






I've found judoka to be kinda weak at defending leg shots.

Against another Judoka or anyone wearing clothes...


Interesting, I've found legshots to be easily defended. You'd think a wrestler would know better than to give his head to a Judoka...

[EmptyneSs]

actually u would be surprised at how many people try to go for double and single legs in judo. when i was training in judo our instructor was pissed cause when we would go to tournaments, alot of other judo clubs would have their students just try and go for double and single legs only instead of using true judo throws. he said this wasnt right, and that those students were not learning true judo, their instructors just wanted them to win at any cost. any decent judoka has had experience with people trying to bust single and double legs on them. i dont think it would be that easy for a wrestler to takedown a judoka. judokas are so used to others attempting to take them down, i dont really think its as easy as some people here think.

[jubaji]

Interesting, I've found legshots to be easily defended. ..

Then you haven't worked out with anyone resembling a decent wrestler.


Maybe you'd better not. Wouldn't want you to be upset.

[jubaji]

You'd think a wrestler would know better than to give his head to a Judoka...

*sniff sniff* Smells like 'you don't know what you are talking about'