A Non Biased Comparison

[JkD187]

so your saying that i wouldnt mount a ninjitsu guy in a real fight because?

[paradoxbox]

Because he would de-escalate the situation before you bothered attacking, or if you did attack he would probably smash you with a weapon or blind you with spit or alcohol or anything else that was on hand before you actually got within range to touch him.

Please don't polute this thread with macho BJJ garbage. There is another huge thread on this forum dedicated to that, put it there.

Brazilian jujutsu is good for ground grappling but if you think you are going to easily beat someone highly trained in distance attacks, staying on their feet and takedowns you are sorely mistaken. Especially in a case where the person feels extremely endangered, all the stops come out. .

Yeah, ninjutsu guys fight dirty. We've all seen the results of dirty fighting in the news.

[paradoxbox]

And for your information a well trained ninjutsu person could escape from the bjj style mount, there are a plethora of 'mounted' techniques from the Shinden Fudou ryuu which are almost exactly the same as the 'mount' position. The same applies for side mounts.

[JkD187]

who said i was a bjj macho guy....your making claims at face value,yes i study bjj but i also study wrestling boxing muay thai jkd concepts and a whole lot more.Thats not the point of my post my point was that there is no one who is guna get out of a mount by an experenced groundfighter by punching or grabbing his sac its just not guna happen.Groundfighting isnt just bjj so lets get that straight right there....and as for your ninjitsu...yes bjj and that ninjitsu art or w.e may have the same techniques but the training method and applications are very different which is why bjj is the prefered ground style...if you train against a person who is resisting what you are doing and not just someone who trains ninjitsu then congrats but if not dont gimme that ninjitsus secrect techniques will defeat all bullshit its been done to death.If your ninja techniques were so deadly i think everyone would be doing ninjitsu not bjj o and as for a "real" fight what makes you assume i wouldnt break a chair over your head first..o i know its bc im a sport fighter right?

[paradoxbox]

Because people who train in traditional martial arts (especially ninjutsu) can predict aggressive fighters (possibly such as yourself) from a mile away and steer clear to avoid the trouble in the first place.

You actually have no idea what ninjutsu is as is evidenced by your consistent incorrect spelling of the word. I would politely ask you to refrain from posting about it until you have a clue

I'd suggest you go look up a genbukan or bujinkan dojo in your area and make a challenge to the instructor (After waiving your rights to sue of course) Better yet why not attack one in a bar, try hitting with a chair, that will work great!

Just like mixed martial arts combines a bunch of different martial arts from around the world, ninjutsu organizations include all the same stuff within their curriculum. The only difference is they're 100% Japanese.

Where do you think the mounted position came from? The Brazilians didn't make it up. That means that somehow, somewhere, in Japan, long before you were born someone came up with the mount position and a bunch of ways to get out of it. Grabbing the nuts is not the only way it can be done in traditional arts you know.

BJJ is not a bullet proof shield, despite what Helio said. It does not make you invincible and it does not instantly grant you an automatic win if a fight should happen to go on the ground, even against a person not trained in martial arts.

While you say you are not a BJJ macho guy (actually you didn't deny it) you speak like someone who thinks they are a BJJ macho guy. Too much overconfidence. There are a remarkable number of aggressive BJJ practicioners who have been stabbed or shot recently, as well as several others who were just demolished in standard fist fights. There are very notable mixed martial artists included in these statistics.

Things don't always go as planned. Don't count on the opponent always going to the ground and don't count on being able to keep them there just because you could submit your training partner. Reality is never so black and white.

[JkD187]

so your asuming that im a big agressive person because i compete.....wow you sir are a tart...secondly you are correct i kno nothing about ninjitsu or jutsu or w.e i kno about fighting regardless of where it comes from japan brazil india or whatever but obviously you dont.....thirdy there are no buju or guiju dojos where i live and why would i make a challenge just by saying that i think your the agressive person who people should stay away from and im 100% sure i wouldnt need a chair or neother weapon other then my fist to take the deadly dark assassin out ...fourthly i know the gracies or brazilians didnt create the mount obviously people lived before the gracies and before the japanese to buddy ever heard of the greeks and romans...mesopotamians among others...japanese recorded history started after all these tribes had already writen language so who knows who made the techniques up and yes this was before i was born or id be pretty old i like how you didnt say you and me because you werent born ten either o great ninja.You are obviously a person who likes to bash other arts by saying o its good but my art is beter...and just to let you kno NO art has all the answers and there are no superior arts...use the superior art at the moment and thas what i do and what you woulnt b doing ninja boy

[paradoxbox]

Your grammar is awful. How old are you?

Actually there are bujinkan and genbukan dojo near you. Would you like to take a visit? You're confident enough in your knowledge to talk in absolutes, then you ought to be confident enough to go fight one in their dojo.

I have not disrespected anyones art or stated any art is better than another. You came to this conclusion because you are a poor reader and incapable of holding intelligent discussion, and you are also narrow minded enough to believe someone trained in ground grappling has a 100% chance of victory against anyone not trained in the same system.


Otherwise stfu tito jr. Are you on drugs?

[JkD187]

sure give me the address and ill give it a look....as for you u are just a plain idiot and very naive and also a hypocrite..bjj dose not have all the answers neither dose ay martial art but the way u talk it seems that ninjitsu dose and you can go on believeing that i dont care so in closing id like to say

[paradoxbox]

Genbukan

http://www.genbukan.org/cgi-bin/site.pl?1711&seq=3&cxDatabase_databaseID=1&newSearch=1&state=NY&sortBy=sort%2Cname

Bujinkan
scroll over the menu entitled "location and times"

http://www.kihon.com/dojo/

[JkD187]

ill give it a look and you should really learn to read buddy.

[paradoxbox]

I know how to read but I do not enjoy reading poorly constructed sentences with no ending, and single block paragraphs that have no structure and change topic every fifth word. Put a little more time and thought into your replies and all will be well.

[jubaji]

Please don't polute this thread with macho BJJ garbage.

But your "garbage" is ok?

[jubaji]

Brazilian jujutsu is good for ground grappling but if you think you are going to easily beat someone highly trained in distance attacks, staying on their feet and takedowns you are sorely mistaken.

Ninjutsu is good at takedowns you say?

[jubaji]

Especially in a case where the person feels extremely endangered, all the stops come out. .

Yeah, ninjutsu guys fight dirty. .

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[jubaji]

And for your information a well trained ninjutsu person could escape from the bjj style mount, .

Could be, but you wouldn't want to bet the dojo's mortage on that one.