Throws in Jujitsu

[Jeff_p]

Hi everybody! I'm new to the forums and am searching for the best martial art for me. I'm a fairly skinny guy 5'9" 155 lbs, 25 yrs. old, very athletic, live in a horrible area of Columbus, OH, have had numerous friends mugged and our apartment broken into over the past year and am looking for a MA with a well-rounded no-nonsense approach to self-defense. At this point Kempo is at the top of my list.

I have no experience in any MA and do not have a grasp on the primary purpose of throws. It seems strikes would definitively end an encounter quickly and efficiently. In a streetfight I preferably don't want to start grappling and rolling around on the deck. Can you guys give me the reasoning why jujitsu encompasses so many types of throws? And because of my low weight, would learning a style with more groundwork and throws actually be more beneficial for me? I've been trying to do as much reading as possible to lead me in the right direction. Thanks so much!

[JkD187]

i suggest learning a martial art(s) that prepare you for most types of attacks standup/clinch/ground/weapons and that practice against a resisting opponent.....most of the throws in jjj are also found in judo and other arts as jjj is the mother art, however they did not spar or contest or even resist the technique which made it seem ineffective.As long as you train your techniques against resistance you will begin to grow in all areas of the martial arts.You could toss a big dude easy....as long as you hit him first with some elbows knees headbutts then toss him or w.e the situation calls for,being prepared in all ranges is basically the best thing u can do to protect yourself....besides from a gun that is .

[Jeff_p]

A friend of mine is in Wing Chun. But the more I read about it and see how much practical fighting knowledge he's acquired, the more I'm straying from his advice. I want something that can defend and attack from all ranges and also quickly builds upon forms to progress.

The completeness of Jujitsu appeals to me. But being skinny, I've never had an edge in wrestling growing up and have a difficult time seeing myself excelling in jujitsu. Obviously I have no experience in MA and am probably completely wrong as it seems brute force is not the foundation for any of the throws. It's seems at face value something that typically wouldn't fit me and what I'm comfortable with.

Everything that I read about Kempo has been solidifying my decision in trying to find a decent school in my area. It seems fairly complete and more importantly simple and to the point. I'm not looking for a nice hobby, something to keep me in shape or means for spiritual growth. I have big thugs approaching me for a 'cigarette' every single night and come home to groups of guys hanging out in front of my apt. door giving me stares. I simply want to have the skill and confidence to take charge and defend my life if need be.

I'm signing up for the class which will give me my license to carry a concealed handgun. But I'm aware of the giant limitations in being able to quickly draw it and hit my target in the split second of an attack.

[Zapatista]

You might want to look at Krav Maga. It can be a devestating art that is good for self-defense.

[Jeff_p]

Thanks Zapatista.
I did a little reading on Krav Maga but didn't really pursue it because I figured finding a school near me would be next to impossible. But there is actually one right by my apartment.

And wow, talking about a no-nonsense devastating art you can learn fairly quickly. This seems perfect for what I'm searching for.
It's very appealing that the forms are built on using the body's natural reflexes and stresses fighting under worst-case circumstances (back to the wall, when protecting someone else, with one arm unusable, using found objects, when dizzy, against armed opponents...). Seems VERY practical and direct. Thanks.

[blitz]

A friend of mine is in Wing Chun. But the more I read about it and see how much practical fighting knowledge he's acquired, the more I'm straying from his advice. I want something that can defend and attack from all ranges and also quickly builds upon forms to progress.

The completeness of Jujitsu appeals to me. But being skinny, I've never had an edge in wrestling growing up and have a difficult time seeing myself excelling in jujitsu. Obviously I have no experience in MA and am probably completely wrong as it seems brute force is not the foundation for any of the throws. It's seems at face value something that typically wouldn't fit me and what I'm comfortable with.

Everything that I read about Kempo has been solidifying my decision in trying to find a decent school in my area. It seems fairly complete and more importantly simple and to the point. I'm not looking for a nice hobby, something to keep me in shape or means for spiritual growth. I have big thugs approaching me for a 'cigarette' every single night and come home to groups of guys hanging out in front of my apt. door giving me stares. I simply want to have the skill and confidence to take charge and defend my life if need be.

I'm signing up for the class which will give me my license to carry a concealed handgun. But I'm aware of the giant limitations in being able to quickly draw it and hit my target in the split second of an attack.

Wing chun is actually a very good art, but it has to be learnt the right way, if you take wing chun fully you will have the speed/strength to defend urself.

[Jeff_p]

Yeah, I have total faith that most of the MAs will eventually bring you to a place where you're competent at defending yourself. I've spent all day reading about Krav Maga and frequenting multiple forums and it seems the overwhelming agreement is that KM will get you to a place of simply being able to defend yourself from most all 'real-life- scenarios including weapon attacks very quickly.

Studios also consistently practice adrenaline drills, ex. turning off the lights to simulate night fights, blasting super loud music and creating noise distractions. This is great stuff for training your mind to fight through adrenaline. Bad guys always travel in packs and KM has a LOT of multiple-attacker drills. This seems like it fullfills what I'm searching for.

I have the patience and discipline to learn. It's that I don't want to pick an art that takes me 5-15 years to get me to a place where I can fully defend myself even from weapon attacks. The heavy long sparring from the very beginning in KM should also get me accustomed to the extinctual process that happens in street fights.

[Hardball]

When jujitsu/judo/akido practictioners practice throws-- The one being thrown is called the uke, the one doing the throwing is called the Tori. Hours and hours of ukeing is very greuling and ruff house. A lot of judo men have bad shoulders from all of the ukeing. Jujitsu has hard throws, soft throws and half hip throws. We also have sweeps and takedowns. Getting thrown on the mat only hurts if you fall wrong.

The philosophy is that you are letting the hard ground or concrete do the work for you. Throwing someone on the concrete is brutal especially if that person does not know how to breakfall. Jujitsu also has strikes, kicks, locks and breaks along with weapons training. The primary weapon is the sword.

Getting a throw off on the street may be hard but If you hang around jujitsu long enough it will be a piece of cake especially the foot throws and sweeps.

Japanese Jujitsu is a complete art but a lot of people do not know how to apply it to Street combat.

[Jeff_p]

Thanks. I never thought through how much damage the ground could cause.

[Hardball]

Thanks. I never thought through how much damage the ground could cause.

Most brown belts and black belts will pile drive you and let you cushion their fall. Pile drive can be done with any throw or takedown.

[Brothershaw]

Hardball where do you study jujitsu? I have been thinking about taking it up if I can find a place that I can work into my schedule.

[jubaji]

Most brown belts and black belts will pile drive you and let you cushion their fall. Pile drive can be done with any throw or takedown.

Putting people on their heads tends to have a detrimental effect on their motivation.

[Tant01]

Punch, kick, throw, choke...

Hi everybody! .......

...I have no experience in any MA and do not have a grasp on the primary purpose of throws. It seems strikes would definitively end an encounter quickly and efficiently. In a streetfight I preferably don't want to start grappling and rolling around on the deck. Can you guys give me the reasoning why jujitsu encompasses so many types of throws? And because of my low weight, would learning a style with more groundwork and throws actually be more beneficial for me? I've been trying to do as much reading as possible to lead me in the right direction. Thanks so much!

Striking should not be overlooked. It's good to know how to use your fists and feet to offer a decent attack. That's a good first step. Stomping and palmstrikes, elbows, knees and the respective targets for these weapons. Don't forget body bumping a head butts!

This will lead you into the next closer range of combat known as "grappling" range. This is where wrestlers and Judoka like it best. (The Jujutsu players too). Why? Because you can always count on gravity to help you use terrain as a weapon. And, humans are top heavy

Good tricks to know how to use every advantage...

[HtTKar]

Thanks Zapatista.
I did a little reading on Krav Maga but didn't really pursue it because I figured finding a school near me would be next to impossible. But there is actually one right by my apartment.

And wow, talking about a no-nonsense devastating art you can learn fairly quickly. This seems perfect for what I'm searching for.
It's very appealing that the forms are built on using the body's natural reflexes and stresses fighting under worst-case circumstances (back to the wall, when protecting someone else, with one arm unusable, using found objects, when dizzy, against armed opponents...). Seems VERY practical and direct. Thanks.

Martial arts take a long time to learn. You sound like you want something now. The fact that this studio is right by your apartment gives you that. It's like a gang of friends that will be willing to help you out right around the corner. Normally I would say if you need something now, take boxing, but the fact that this place is so close to you makes it the place to start. You can always move on after that if you want. There are a lot of benefits to having your school very nearby.