George Dillman

[m_calingo]

There's a lot of stuff in the DMA Forums regarding, or disregarding George Dillman and his pressure point system. In addition to that, National Geographic did some coverage on his "no touch" KO's. National Geographic showed a volunteer actually unaffected by Dillman's attempt on him with his no touch knockout.

Having said this, has anyone reading this thread:

1) actually attended one of George Dillman's seminars?
2) having attended the seminar, had the technique applied to them, and what the result was?

And, probably the most important--

3) after attending the seminar, was able to duplicate the technique to another person, one who didn't attend the seminar???

[Hardball]

I went to his seminar and he actually tried to recruit me for a demo. I politely said No. You will get a lot out of his seminar if you follow it up with the purchase of his books. Don't let him use you for a demo--he will take your pic and record you as a knockout victim in one of his publications. Ha Ha Ha .I heard through the martial arts grapevine that he accidently killed someone recently at a seminar. I don't know if its true or not but I heard it from a 9th in JJ.

[Maxx]

I did see the special on the National Geographic Channel. Dillman never tested his skills against a skeptic on the show... but Leon Jay did. Leon, I believe, is Wally Jay's son and it was kinda sad to see him waving his hands around the head of a skeptic trying his no contact knockout while the guy just kinda stood there unaffected. Really made him look like a goofball.

I'm personally of the "I believe it's possible, I just don't believe YOU can do it" school of thought. Dillman I'm sure does have knowledge of pressure point knockouts but I didn't see him taking up the challenge of the skeptic on the show.

For now I guess things like the no touch knockout will continue to remain on the outer fringes of martial arts mysticism... and a good cross looks like it would just take a lot less effort.

[Hardball]

Sorry, I forgot to mention that Professor Leon Jay (yes he is Wally Jays son)was at the same seminar. Professor Jay did a successful no touch knockout. That Was in Pennsylvania in 2003. The guy was a distance away. Also, Professor Jay is very knowledgable about reviving techniques after someone has been knocked out.

I have no comment about whether the no touch knockout was real or pre planned and staged. You can't really tell thus I have no comment.

[Thai Bri]

The shit some people will believe is astounding. Far more uncanny than any no touch knockout, that's for sure!

[explorer]

Dillman Method

I've trained with Chris Thomas -- the guy who writes the books with Master Dillman -- and find most of the techniques quite effective. I've known Master Thomas since high school and and trained with him for a number of years ... I will vouch for his character.

I've been able to duplicate the 'touch' knock outs with some practice. As I practice more, I find I can use a lighter 'touch'. I actually think the better term for these techniques is 'incapacitation' rather than knock out. Often times the uke remains standing but is disoriented and uncoordinated ... and easy to finish off.

As for the no touch knock outs ... I've watched quite a few ... and find them puzzling. They seem to take a lot of time ... more time than anyone has in a fight. In the meantime the Systema guys seem to have technique that works faster ... but I've never seen them in person so I can't vouch for the technique.

If you spend a lot of time reading about energetic systems you run across a little tidbit regarding intent ... It seems if you want or allow the technique to work on you, it will work. On the other hand, if you don't, it won't.

Just as in the world of touch techniques ... If I know what is coming I have little trouble defeating it ... so seems the world of energetics.

At this juncture I won't say no touch doesn't work. What I will say is ... it seems to take too long.

[Sagacious Lu]

It seems if you want or allow the technique to work on you, it will work. On the other hand, if you don't, it won't.

So what you're saying is that if I want to fall down I am able to do so at any time That's amazing.

[explorer]

Wow, you're very astute

That's about is Sagacious Lun. Your ability to perceive the obvious should astound the most casual observer.

[Sagacious Lu]

That's about is Sagacious Lun. Your ability to perceive the obvious should astound the most casual observer.

Yeah, that part makes plenty of sense to me, the part I don't get is what the point of the technique is if it only knocks down the people that want to fall down

[explorer]

ok

Perhaps a better term might have been 'suscptible people' who have their guard down.

Apparently, you can keep your guard up energetically just as you can keep your guard up physically.

[Sagacious Lu]

How gullible do you have to be to be "susceptable" to something like that

[explorer]

Gullibility has very little to do with it genius. Awareness is the key ... if you're aware of what I'm doing it is a simple matter to defeat it.

It's obvious you have done no study on energetics.

Try this, learn to read big words then get James Oschman's books on energetic medicine and human performance. When you understand that material, get back to me with something of substance.

[Sagacious Lu]

Gullibility has very little to do with it genius. Awareness is the key ... if you're aware of what I'm doing it is a simple matter to defeat it.

It's obvious you have done no study on energetics.

Try this, learn to read big words then get James Oschman's books on energetic medicine and human performance. When you understand that material, get back to me with something of substance.

Hmmm, big words, well I'll get right on that then. How about Charlatan? Let's see, that's only three syllables so it might not be good enough for you. Psychosomatic might fit the bill better. Go ahead and sound it out, it's a wopping five syllables. Personally I think all the big words are just confusing the issue though, I'd rather keep it simple and just say bullshit, after all that's what these no-touch knock outs are

[danfaggella]

Dillman is a shame.

[BoarSpear]

Dillman is a shame.

spell check dude!! normally I (of all people) dont complain but dude!! its SHAM, no e on the end