Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu

[obsessed]

You know, I"ve been searching the net for this art, and all the videos and stuff I encounter all have one attack phasing.

What I mean is, the techniques are good, but the attacker only stops after the first attack.

Isn't there anything on the net where there is some guy getting destroyed with ninjutsu? I mean setting someone up for an attack by you after dodging his punch can lead to nothing if he moves and decides to wiggle around and not get into a lockable position.

Why can't there be any realistic evidence of ninjutsu at work?

[stauburn]

One thing you have to think about is that this isn't a sport based art but a combat art , so a lot of the "realism" you are looking for will lead to people getting seriously hurt. I, for one don't want to have my arm broken just so someone can watch it on DVD and say " cool".

I have been studying this art a long time and this is one of the most common critisms that I hear. I would even say that if you did see it in a real life situation it would probably look no different than any other art in a real life altercation ( attack, defend and survive to tell the tale). A friend of mine who is quite skilled at TKD & Kung FU works security at a club and everytime I see him get into with someone nothing he does looks like anything I seen him teach at his dojo.

I believe that the majority of instuctional tapes on the market aren't to teach realism but to teach or explain concepts for you to be able to perform in realistic situations. It's up to your instructor and you to play with the " what if's..." to see what will work the best in as real of situation you can make in the dojo.

Good luck in your search

[Hikage]

You know, I"ve been searching the net for this art, and all the videos and stuff I encounter all have one attack phasing.

What I mean is, the techniques are good, but the attacker only stops after the first attack.

Isn't there anything on the net where there is some guy getting destroyed with ninjutsu? I mean setting someone up for an attack by you after dodging his punch can lead to nothing if he moves and decides to wiggle around and not get into a lockable position.

Why can't there be any realistic evidence of ninjutsu at work?

First of all... you cannot learn ninjitsu from the internet. This only perpetuates the breed of pajama wearers who perform "missions" for a clan master.

Secondly, realize that they are showing you only the basic technique. This is a starting point. As you get in the arts longer, you will learn that it is expected that you creat beyond this basic technique. Integrated into the art is an understanding of how to create openings and how to off-balance the man so that counter attack is not possible. Yes, in the internet pics and videos, they are stopping after only on punch. Yes, they can adjust and punch again. Yes, that would make for a fanstastic movie fight seen. There is so much more beyond that. These movies are only showing you how to get out of the way. The first rule of martial arts is not being there. You are not going to find many advanced techniques for any art on the internet. There aren't any ninjitsu instructors on the internet that I personally go to for information. They just aren't showing you anything. Furthermore, be contented in knowing that there are elements in ninjitsu that will show you how to move beyond this scenario.

-Hikage

[fracture]

First of all... you cannot learn ninjitsu from the internet. This only perpetuates the breed of pajama wearers who perform "missions" for a clan master.

Secondly, realize that they are showing you only the basic technique. This is a starting point. As you get in the arts longer, you will learn that it is expected that you creat beyond this basic technique. Integrated into the art is an understanding of how to create openings and how to off-balance the man so that counter attack is not possible. Yes, in the internet pics and videos, they are stopping after only on punch. Yes, they can adjust and punch again. Yes, that would make for a fanstastic movie fight seen. There is so much more beyond that. These movies are only showing you how to get out of the way. The first rule of martial arts is not being there. You are not going to find many advanced techniques for any art on the internet. There aren't any ninjitsu instructors on the internet that I personally go to for information. They just aren't showing you anything. Furthermore, be contented in knowing that there are elements in ninjitsu that will show you how to move beyond this scenario.

-Hikage

Lol at the clan missions, agreed.. thats both a joke and an insult to proper ninjitsu practitioners..not everyone should know how to unleash 5 possibly fatal hits in a fluid motion, both either to head or body, as well as energy systems etc, its not for everyone.. I happen to be honored not to have paid for teachings, as a mate of mine has had a long history of it, it has saved me a LOOOOT of money, one thing I believe isn't right about the arts, they charge too much... at least in Australia they do.. hehe


By the way, I'm new here, I've been reading the comments here for a while but haven't been able to activate my account till now, all the forms went to junk mail lol
I live in Australia btw, hello everyone

[Hikage]

Welcome to the big show. Glad you were able to get on board. (somewhat literally).

Ninjitsu is a rich man's art in America. There are two ways to advance. One is to beat your way through, like some of us have, and the other is to buy your way through. Feel lucky that you were able to get it at a serious discount.

I was fortunate that my instructor only charged 35$/month, and he's really high up, which is almost unheard of at that price. I in turn want to pass on the habit of not over charging for things and I only ask for 20 from my students. It's more or less so they appreciate what they're getting. If it's free, people have a tendency to take advantage of it.

-Hikage

[DDsquall]

I did Ninjutsu Bujinkan and ended up quiting. Its cool but it was't what i was looking for. I expected kicks, punches and striking but it was more like Judo. Almost every move someone would have to obtain the 'ichimonji' stance and do this slow punch in order for the other person to do some pontless, fancy throw.

[fracture]

Hmmm...
There are different principles of ninjitsu, and different methods of what they do... most of what I learned was palm strikes to the nose and temple, weapons like Sai and nunchuku etc, and punches to the ribcage, as well as punching trees and moulding the knuckles, didn't do much throwing, and certainly no kicking haha, hands are the fastest weapon, although I rekon knowing how to kick someone in the head would be alrite haha

On top of that, theres a few more quirky things to ninjitsu

-Dave

[treelizard]

I've trained with budo taijutsu black belts and was VERY impressed with how they moved. Not as impressed with their weapons skills, but it's better than most martial arts I've scene.

[DDsquall]

Ninjutsu is very intresting...BUjinkan is kinda just like techniques of Taijutsu the ninja would use am i right? My teacher told me the art of 'Ninjutsu' is nothing like what you learn in Bujinkan school. Ninjutsu has diferent areas but mainly taught someone to be an assasin. Like they would survival, medicine preperation, the art of disguise, geographical skills, these are things the Bujinkan school does't teach and will probably never be allowed to. My teacher told me the ninja would use weapons often, especcialy the Katana or the smaller sword, (forgot its name), then unarmed combat would be a completely differnet thing, Some ninja would use Jujitsu techniques, Chinese martial arts, whatever. At my ninjutsu school they showed us some recorded techniques of disarming swordsman, rolling, and traditional stances...more of a history lesson really.

[fracture]

There are people who teach those things, but they dont publicise it, but it was originally learnt to be used against a samurai as we all know, they were farmers etc etc who learned the art secretly....
Now......I don't know what people are gunna say to this, and its not MY words, its someone else's who has trained for about 15 years, but he rekons Hatsumi wouldn't be going public if he was a ninja, what do you guys think, from what I've seen he'd kill me 50 times before I could blink.

-Dave

[treelizard]

I don't know about any of the other ninja schools, I only know about Bujinkan. And they are awesome.

[DDsquall]

I know theirs Iga, Koga, Togakure, loads more and Bujinkan which was created not long ago and teachers recorded techniques from all the other schools. I saw this great show on the discovery channel about the ninja, it showed what they were like. They were more like mercineries, hired to kill, thats why they created ninjutsu tu learnhow to kill silently and infiltrate buildigns un-noticed. What im saying is True ninjutsu will never be taught again but i think Bujinkan teaches some techniques that were actualy used by the ninja like how ukemi and ways of disarming a Samurai.

[treelizard]

Quick points on vocab here. "Bujinkan" means "Divine Warrior House" and is actually an association founded by Hatsumi Sensei. It is comprised of nine martial traditions. I can't speak for the other types of ninjutsu but Bujinkan is the real deal.

Taijutsu means "body movement." It is all about being able to use your body in a way that is natural, effective and will help you execute your goals. This includes judging distance, using leverage effectively, and learning techniques that will enable you to achieve victory without relying on speed or strength.

I've never trained in ninjutsu formally but I've attended training seminars and like I said was very impressed.

[DDsquall]

JHust want to say Taijutsu actualy means ' Techniques or art of the body'. Your translation of Bujinkan was correct though. What id on't understand is the Sword play area of ninjutsu. Like Would the ninja be taught the a complete style from antoher art of the Japanese sword or is ninjutsu its own Kenjutsu?

[treelizard]

I think your definition and my definition are just different translations. As far as swords, I've asked about their swords and other weird heavy weapons they use which they probably wouldn't use in real life, and was told that it's just a better way of seeing how good your taijutsu is... Kind of like when you're doing a clean and jerk or a snatch...you can get away with really bad form and muscle your way through it until you start adding weight to the bar. Make sense?

QUOTE=DDsquall]JHust want to say Taijutsu actualy means ' Techniques or art of the body'. Your translation of Bujinkan was correct though. What id on't understand is the Sword play area of ninjutsu. Like Would the ninja be taught the a complete style from antoher art of the Japanese sword or is ninjutsu its own Kenjutsu?[/QUOTE]