Biting? A technique or a girly move??

[Garland]

Her problems, and the solution, were set in motion long before the moment you described. In her position, if biting his nose were the only option available, she would very likely be in for more and more trouble.

Okay...so you're saying that her precarious position was "set in motion" long before taking out the nose. Okay.
Could it have been avoided? Perhaps not.

A large man, laying in wait in a parking lot, grabbing and throwing a girl to the ground and holding her in place with his weight.
Jiu Jitsu and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu are optimal for a small opponent to fight off a larger opponent in a drawn out fight. The problem is the extreme difference in size and strength and the violence of the encounter...it's not going to play out like a Pride fight where the girl will go all Genki Sudo and become an uber, top-notch fighter under SUPRISE! stress conditions. Not alot of people can commit themselves, or do commit themselves to that type of technical training...although I never said it wasn't a good idea.

I'm saying if somebody larger than me is holding me down, and for some reason, I can't get them off of me, and I'm fearing for my safety...I'm going to play hannibal lector on their ass. Even if it's to clear room for another type of tool.

Scenario- somebody manages to get me on my back...they're trying to hurt me, maybe they have friends that might jump in soon, and I need to do something quick. I've managed to pull guard going down, and he's just laying and praying, holding me down and not giving me a limb...but his EAR and his EYELID are right next to my mouth...
which should move the action along a bit quickly, and if it doesn't make him wilt enough to toss him off, maybe enough to force him to surrender a limb, or give me an opportunity to blind him with my thumbs, upa him off, and introduce my boot to him a few times before running to safety or a weapon.

Or...
let's say somebody has a knife and I manage to pass the blade and for a fraction of a second, the knife is out of the way and I'm in an unlikely but ideal position to rake his eyes on route to trying to eject the knife...
should I not take advantage of any opportunity to hurt or maim my attacker?

[Garland]

Yeah Ju. I was going to say it could easily be the last thing she tried...

Which is not the point. The point is it is a technique, and it fucking WORKED. Did it not? Argue me that.

[treelizard]

If someone was trying to rape me (and I HAVE successfully fought my way out of potential rape situations), I would want every move I made to lead me towards the goal of getting away. Therefore biting someone's nose or ear would probably not be my primary objective.

The good thing is that it's hard to hold somebody down and rape them at the same time, so eventually you're probably going to have some kind of opening (if there's only one guy and depending on if he has rope, weapons, etc.), also in rape scenarios sometimes even if the BG has a weapon (not always) he's using it more for intimidation and to get what he wants, so in SOME cases you can just pretend you're not going to fight for a few seconds until you have an opening. And that's exactly what I did. Now I can't remember everything that happened exactly and since time got all screwed up I don't even know if I could describe it accurately, but the point is that dude will sometimes be less aggro if he thinks you're not fighting back...

It's hard to explain but let's just say there's a very different approaches you would need to think about for streetfighting and rape scenarios, just like there's different approaches for beating on someone vs. trying to get someone in handcuffs. Same mindset, similar objectives (neutralize the threat), VERY different approaches.

[jubaji]

I'm saying if somebody larger than me is holding me down, and for some reason, I can't get them off of me, and I'm fearing for my safety...I'm going to play hannibal lector on their ass.

If all of your other skills have not enabled you to escape that position, then biting him is more likely to have him end up going 'Deliverance' on your ass than anything else.

[Garland]

If all of your other skills have not enabled you to escape that position, then biting him is more likely to have him end up going 'Deliverance' on your ass than anything else.

Yeah...but if it were going to happen anyway...at least I'd be able to take a hefty fucking pound of flesh as my price.

[jubaji]

Yeah...but if it were going to happen anyway...at least I'd be able to take a hefty fucking pound of flesh as my price.

As opposed to making the most reasonable use of every second you have to use your skills in a manner more likely to actually have a positive result. You, in effect, advocate giving up and just making a mark for spite instead of actually getting the upper hand or getting out.

[Garland]

As opposed to making the most reasonable use of every second you have to use your skills in a manner more likely to actually have a positive result. You, in effect, advocate giving up and just making a mark for spite instead of actually getting the upper hand or getting out.

I never implied giving up...I said that if I'd exhausted my resources, or if I believed in the moment it would help me to secure to use of other options...I would do it. And yeah, if, according to master jubaji, it wouldn't successfully aide in stopping the attack...they'd still have a little love mark for the rest of their life where Garland took off their ear, nose, lips, or eyelid.

[jubaji]

I never implied giving up...I said that if I'd exhausted my resources, or if I believed in the moment it would help me to secure to use of other options...I would do it. And yeah, if, according to master jubaji, it wouldn't successfully aide in stopping the attack...they'd still have a little love mark for the rest of their life where Garland took off their ear, nose, lips, or eyelid.

You absolutely implied giving up, and did the same in this post! "At least I'll take a pound of flesh, etc."

[Garland]

You absolutely implied giving up, and did the same in this post! "At least I'll take a pound of flesh, etc."

No...you can interpret that as what you will...it's not giving up, it's simply a change in tactic...and guess what
it's still fighting...
and it works...sorry...I've seen the photos of the more serious reperucssions...and...trust me, the shit would be damn effective and pretty fucking practical.


Why aren't you relenting? Do you honestly believe the stuff you're spouting? You're just like Boar and his pet peev about MMA's worth in combat situations...only about certain traditionally recognized combative tools. They both work...they work even better together.
Now can't we all just get along?

[jubaji]

Why aren't you relenting?

Because you are wrong. Your attitude is dangerously irresponsible.

[Garland]

Because you are wrong. Your attitude is dangerously irresponsible.

I think the same of your position. To not use every available means of defense and to stubbornly refuse to try out other tools in your arsenal when other things fail, or to faccilitate other techniques is foolhardy.

[jubaji]

I think the same of your position.

Thereby demonstrating your irrationality yet again.

[jubaji]

You're just egging him on now, jubaji...

You gotta admit he's making it pretty easy...

[Garland]

You gotta admit he's making it pretty easy...

hey buddy...we just don't see eye to eye on this...that's all. I won't sink to talking shit on you just because you don't agree with me...but you've offered me no reason to change my views.

[jubaji]

hey buddy...we just don't see eye to eye on this...that's all. I won't sink to talking shit on you just because you don't agree with me...but you've offered me no reason to change my views.

Actually, I've offered you every reason, but you refuse to look at this rationally.