Biting? A technique or a girly move??

[Garland]

You mean YOU'VE never done it, so relying on something you have never done instead of training things that you know you can do is dumb. Believing that when the things YOU'VE done a thousand times don't work the thing you've never done will, is dumb. That's what you mean.

Man...if whatever I'm doing isn't working, no matter HOW tried and tested it is...I'd rather try to try different tactics and tools then get wrecked doing the same thing to no effect.

And jubaji, let's look at a scenario, right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04WXA7mM0Eo&search=eye%20injury

It's true that in a dominant position you have more options to do this, of course...but if you're losing, and you can reach their face...this is an OPTION, right? It is a tool, something you can do, right? Or is the only smart option to try and wrestle or punch your way out of you're inferior position?
Jubaji, the thing you said with the guy "tagging you with your face down has more options" is a DUR statement. Ask anyone here besides matt blank if being beaten gives you more opportunities than the person who's in control of the fight. IF you're losing that bad, you still have options until you're out, right? Or are you just fucked? Should you just give up??? There are no turn-around or upset victories, right???
A technique's a technique, and an eyegouge can end a fight...a bite to the nose or ear can help you gain enough space to free yourself up to run...hence get away, hence WIN! right?


But I agree with Brewer...I'd rather be missing an eye then suffer permanent brain damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5v7ZkaLA60&search=fight%20injury

[jubaji]

as long as we are being ridiculous...

Man...if whatever I'm doing isn't working, no matter HOW tried and tested it is...I'd rather try to try different tactics and tools then get wrecked doing the same thing to no effect.

Great. Then you might as well try to tickle him or sing a song to distract him or take out your hypnodisk...

[jubaji]

It's true that in a dominant position you have more options to do this, of course...but if you're losing, and you can reach their face...this is an OPTION, right?

It is very likely to be a poor option, because you are already in a disadvantageous position and now you are exposing at least one arm in a fool's attempt at a technique that is unlikely to do anything but make your situation worse.

[jubaji]

IF you're losing that bad, you still have options until you're out, right? Or are you just fucked? Should you just give up??? There are no turn-around or upset victories, right???

"Upset victories" come from sticking with the basics and doing what you do best, weathering the storm and persevering until you make a realistic opportunity. They don't come from panicing and throwing all you've learned and trained out the window on some fool's hope born out of a juvenile sense of drama.

[Tant01]

Eloquent Ju ...

[Garland]

It is very likely to be a poor option, because you are already in a disadvantageous position and now you are exposing at least one arm in a fool's attempt at a technique that is unlikely to do anything but make your situation worse.

Ok, so your assumption will always be that the person is on their back, never standing?

Alright, what about a straight punch, or pulling the neck like prummbing...to help faccillitate other strikes or positioning.
are those both bod ideas? Because as far as the "giving up the arm" goes, it's the same movement, and the technique has the same potential of working as any other technique...only the risk-benefit ratio is a little different.

[Garland]

"Upset victories" come from sticking with the basics and doing what you do best, weathering the storm and persevering until you make a realistic opportunity. They don't come from panicing and throwing all you've learned and trained out the window on some fool's hope born out of a juvenile sense of drama.

I'm not saying use these things in a panic...I'm saying their either a last ditch resort, which should be implemented with the same type of caution and convition as any other technique. They are not inferior tools just because you say they are, ju. They have pro's and con's. Sure, they can't be trained with the same intensity and realism as punching or kicking...but, ****, man, you don't train roundkicks to the bend of the knee either when sparring, do you? Does that make it less effective than a shot to the thigh in a real fight?
I don't understand you're logic, brother. Let's just agree to disagree...I feel like I'm argueing in circles.

You can stick to your basics...and I'll stick to mine, with just a few more options in my tool box. Hey, it's a free country.

[jubaji]

Ok, so your assumption will always be that the person is on their back, never standing?.

I addressed both in my posts.

[Garland]

I addressed both in my posts.

Alright...so gougeing the eye AS you reach around the neck for prummb hand placement is giving something up more than usual? Or how about pulling the head in to cinche up a triangle? Same movement, just with the thumb trailing into their eye.

[jubaji]

the technique has the same potential of working as any other technique....

The technique you've never done has the same potential of working as a technique you've done thousands and thousands of times? I don't think so.

[jubaji]

I'm not saying use these things in a panic...I'm saying their a last ditch resort, .

......................LOL

Did you read that?

[Garland]

......................LOL

Did you read that?

A last try doesn't HAVE to be a panicked try.

[Garland]

The technique you've never done has the same potential of working as a technique you've done thousands and thousands of times? I don't think so.

That's the thing, jubaji...it's not that different from the techniques you've done thousands of times, the only thing that's changed is the target, and maybe the amount of striking surface your using.

[Sagacious Lu]

I don't think you guys actually disagree with each other. It looks like you're agreeing with all of each others' major points while verbally fencing over.... something I can't figure out

[jubaji]

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