Mas Oyama

[Garland]

People believe what they want to believe. Seldom has much to do with what is real or what isn't.

what makes you believe it's false?

[jubaji]

my respect for you is teetering on the edge of this answer

I didn't say that. What makes you think so?

[Thai Bri]

Martial Arts myths are as common as a belief in aliens, ghosts and the Loch ness monster.

Nuff said.

[Toudiyama[NL]]

Read jon blumings book, it does mention the bull fights, lost of the times it wasn't just one chop to get the horn off, also a lot of the bulls killed were on their way to be slaugthered
The editor of the clip was trying to make it look more interesting

btw I do not think Kyokushin and it's offshoot are so great based on their techniques, instead it is the fightingspirit and mentality which makes them great
In a Sense it is simular to a style like shito ryu(mixing Goju with the karate of Funakoshi's son) but with full contact sparring

[Thai Bri]

....without the use of punches to the head.

Now I know it isn't a god idea to spar with full contact to the head. I hardly ever do it. But it is far better to spar with semi contact including the head, than fight full contact with no head punches - after all, they are by far the biggest tool used in unarmed fights the world over!

And creating a sport of this nature? This is appalling stuff. It teaches people strategies that are totally counter productive for real fights, all that hands down pummelling at the body rubbish.

[Garland]

I didn't say that. What makes you think so?

I find it easier to believe that Mas Oyama killed a bull than he conceived some large and elaborate conspiracy to have several bulls killed and have their horns chopped off on video (some of which are seamless) and in public, crowded venues. Was the whole crowd in on it? I mean...did Oyama have enough money to pay off all those people and, what's more, keep them quiet...or if they were loyal students and followers WHY would they be after KNOWING first hand that they're instructor was a fraud?

THAT sounds alot like the shit Dick says about people faking the moon landing...hey, juju and Bri...if Oyama was soooo good at this cloak and dagger shit...maybe he killed jfk too?!

grow up. skepticism is good and healthy, but not taking into account all of the facts is downright fucking stupid...

[jubaji]

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You fail.

[Garland]

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You fail.

Fine...funny for how much you rag on Dick, you guys are SO much alike.

[jubaji]

You fail again. You get some bad hooch or something?

[Garland]

You fail again. You get some bad hooch or something?

...that all you got?

[jubaji]

I'm disappointed in you.

[Thai Bri]

I'm sure he killed the odd sick bull by rasslin it to the floor and then chop chop chopiing at its throat.

[DickHardman]

Fine...funny for how much you rag on Dick, you guys are SO much alike.

i have a lot more going for me than jubaji. im also funnier, and my posts are way more entertaining than his lame one liners that he always runs out of and has to start picking on peoples typos and spelling mistakes instead cause he hits the bottom of the barrel so fast. even the lamest, worst post i could ever make would still be way better than all of jubajis 6000+ posts combined, and then some.

im also younger, better looking, more athletic, longer, harder, and i probably have way better hair.

[DickHardman]

Now I know it isn't a god idea to spar with full contact to the head. I hardly ever do it. But it is far better to spar with semi contact including the head, than fight full contact with no head punches - after all, they are by far the biggest tool used in unarmed fights the world over!

And creating a sport of this nature? This is appalling stuff. It teaches people strategies that are totally counter productive for real fights, all that hands down pummelling at the body rubbish.

i agree with this 100%.

[Uke]

....without the use of punches to the head.

Now I know it isn't a god idea to spar with full contact to the head. I hardly ever do it. But it is far better to spar with semi contact including the head, than fight full contact with no head punches - after all, they are by far the biggest tool used in unarmed fights the world over!

And creating a sport of this nature? This is appalling stuff. It teaches people strategies that are totally counter productive for real fights, all that hands down pummelling at the body rubbish.

I agree with this as well. That is why I have no interest in the Kyokushin organization. It doesn't reflect the level of mastery that Oyama possessed. While today's so-called NHB matches have gloves padding and rules, Oyama fought over 270 matches undefeated with no rules or gloves and managed to defeat wrestlers and judo players without having to role around on the ground like today's supposed experts.

There were head shots in his own matches against boxers, karateka, jujitsuka, judoka, wrestlers, and kung fu artists. The greatest fighters and martial artists of that time saw much of what he did as much of it was televised. He's fought some of those matches at Madison Square Garden and his feats have been reported in the New York Times.

I'm not trying to make Oyama seem superhuman. I appreciate what he was able to accomplish through extremely hard work, sacrifice and discipline. A work ethic like his seems unreal to people who have never trained hard. They can't fathom that men push themselves to their limits and those who persevere can exceed those limits over time.

No, instead its easier for them to believe that blue collar, part-time martial artists who join MMA tournaments today have in a few years come up with a supposed evolution in martial arts instead of a man who spent his entire life up until his death learning, honing, practicing and teaching his craft.

Oyama fought men in the tradition of the first UFC: NO weight classes. NO holds barred. NO gloves or padding. Yet, today's crop get the nod as being supposedly more real or hardcore from people on this site? Mas Oyama isn't a superhero, but his training regimen, fight record and legacy is light years beyond what MMA guys are doing today.