Principle of Flow VS One Punch, One Kill

[Hardball]

So, about this flow-vs-one-punch nonsense...

Yea, kinda of got off topic didn't it? Well, you're either for it or against it, simple as that. Personally one of my stronger points is power with my weakness being things like flexibility and balance thus I will lean towards the one strike, one kill philosophy. Having conditioned hands helps a lot.

[Uke]

Everybody likes one hit/one kill until they hit their target and realize that their power isn't as potent as they thought it was. You'll see more karateka getting laid out trying to be something that they're not.

As I said earlier, very few individuals possess the power of Oyama, and if your power is short of that, you BETTER learn some combinations. Anyone can score a KO if their opponent stands there and offers no resistance. But that is for sucker punches. Oyama let you know he was coming, let you get ready and STILL knocked you out or put you out of commission. That's real power.

But then again, ScottUk has already made it clear that his focus is not on actual combat, so he has no real need for flow or Ichi geki, Hissatsu. No man who isn't focused and practicing his skills for and in combat has a real idea what is necessary or not.

Proof of that is the guys who like to break bricks. Many of them seem to be so strong and powerful until they get on the mat and get knocked out. Forms champions seem to have a better understanding of techniques because they perform them with such crisp perfection, until they get on the mat and get knocked out. Historians seem to have a better understanding of the origins and growth of styles and techniques because they focus on the history and changes. But God forbid that they get on the mat.

Now, that's not to say that a brick breaker, forms competitor and a historian couldn't do well on the mat. They could, only if they've been involved in sparring and combat. They have to have have gone through conditioning drills, and felt what its like to get hit. And I'm not talking about tapped. I mean rocked.

Theory never kept anyone from getting their ass beat. Even Mike Tyson never walked in and threw ONE punch and won. And no one here is punching like Mike Tyson. And I say that with complete confidence.

[ScottUK]

But then again, ScottUk has already made it clear that his focus is not on actual combat, so he has no real need for flow or Ichi geki, Hissatsu. No man who isn't focused and practicing his skills for and in combat has a real idea what is necessary or not.

Hiya Uke,

I don't practice my art for self-defence. There IS more to MA than streetfighting you know...

I didn't say I was not focused on combat, I just stated that I didn't practice for self defence.

In addition to my original comment about 'real combat' or not, you should be aware that I wasn't speaking of karate or such. I am a big fan of 'one hit one kill' as it befits my art. If we were speaking of actual combat, if I make contact with my opponent he goes down fast. If he makes contact with me, I am in the same major trouble. I am not a puncher/kicker.

[Hardball]

Everybody likes one hit/one kill until they hit their target and realize that their power isn't as potent as they thought it was. You'll see more karateka getting laid out trying to be something that they're not.

As I said earlier, very few individuals possess the power of Oyama, and if your power is short of that, you BETTER learn some combinations. Anyone can score a KO if their opponent stands there and offers no resistance. But that is for sucker punches. Oyama let you know he was coming, let you get ready and STILL knocked you out or put you out of commission. That's real power.

But then again, ScottUk has already made it clear that his focus is not on actual combat, so he has no real need for flow or Ichi geki, Hissatsu. No man who isn't focused and practicing his skills for and in combat has a real idea what is necessary or not.

Proof of that is the guys who like to break bricks. Many of them seem to be so strong and powerful until they get on the mat and get knocked out. Forms champions seem to have a better understanding of techniques because they perform them with such crisp perfection, until they get on the mat and get knocked out. Historians seem to have a better understanding of the origins and growth of styles and techniques because they focus on the history and changes. But God forbid that they get on the mat.

Now, that's not to say that a brick breaker, forms competitor and a historian couldn't do well on the mat. They could, only if they've been involved in sparring and combat. They have to have have gone through conditioning drills, and felt what its like to get hit. And I'm not talking about tapped. I mean rocked.

Theory never kept anyone from getting their ass beat. Even Mike Tyson never walked in and threw ONE punch and won. And no one here is punching like Mike Tyson. And I say that with complete confidence.

I didn't say, I don't use combinations. I implied that the first punch of a combination should be devastating. Knowing vital spots and pressure points is essential. F.Y.I., I don't train for the mat--I train for the street. Speaking of Mike Tyson, he is the victim of that one punch K.O. from Buster Douglas. LOL And that was in gloves.

[Uke]

Well, the topic has to do with empty hand, otherwise it would be one stab vs multiple strikes.

And rather than play the assuming game about what you do, its more important for me to help others understand why unless you possess very rare power, its better and more practical to use rapid attrition.

No disrespect meant to you of course, ScottUK. Its just that this has more to do with the subject at hand than it does with what you do or don't do.

In a perfect world, every clean strike landed would end a fight. I've seen people stabbed and shot and they continued to fight on.

[Hardball]

I guess I should state that I am Blessed with above average power. <For sake of discussion>

[Uke]

I guess I should state that I am Blessed with above average power. <For sake of discussion>

Above average in comparison to who?

[ScottUK]

Above average in comparison to who?

The Spice Girls.

[Hardball]

Above average in comparison to who?

Very Good Question. The Answer is Light Heavyweights in the Senior Division.

[elliotNess]

The Spice Girls.

You Britts have a Spartan sense of humor. LOL

[ScottUK]

You Britts have a Spartan sense of humor. LOL

I have given up using smilies to help the less-amused elements of our world gain enlightenment.

[elliotNess]

I have given up using smilies to help the less-amused elements of our world gain enlightenment.

My smilies don't work have the time.

[millie]

a cannon sits on hill the enemy closes

the movement followes the attack
the person followes the punch
the position delivers the angle, direction and two way action senario to terminate the oppisition bub.

[Hardball]

the movement followes the attack
the person followes the punch
the position delivers the angle, direction and two way action senario to terminate the oppisition bub.

I think I got this Parable.

[millie]

don;t think know