Principle of Flow VS One Punch, One Kill

[WildWest.]

Keep hitting your opponent until the fight is finished. If it only takes one hit then good on you!!

[makiwara]

I say both. I like what kenpo calls (I think) directional Harmony, where each strike flows smoothly and naturally from one to the next. But at the same time I feel that each strike should be as devastating as possible, putting each area and threat out of commission as soon as possible.

[makiwara]

Flow isn't just a continuous barrage of chain punches. That IS NOT flow.

There is a continuity to flow, but flow isn't as mechanical as say WC chain punching. Flow is a lot of things. Its the ability to seamlessly transition from striking to grappling back to striking without having to clumsily fumble around. Its also the ability to strike a man so that he moves a certain way, and then follow up with strikes that continue to move him how you want him to move instead of having to keep up with an opponent that is constantly moving backwards because your strikes don't set each other up.

Flow isn't rote patterns, although you use rote patterns to get to a level where you don't need them anymore. I think a lot of people here think of flow as what you see in kempo when they quickly pitty pat strike in rapid succession. That's not the same thing. Flow doesn't need to be that fast because flow works off timing, not speed. Some people have a hard time understanding the difference between the two.

Unless you've invested a solid 5 years into a system where you've been working on rote patterns of striking and attacking to develop your own flow everyday, I doubt that you've seen it or done it. It takes years to develop personal flow, especially under duress.

To be honest, flow isn't what you're discussing here. What you're discussing is "attrition vs one shot KO power". I hate to seem like I'm nitpicking here, but anyone else here who works on their flow and with others who do knows the difference and would say the same.

That's awesome.

[Hardball]

I say both. I like what kenpo calls (I think) directional Harmony, where each strike flows smoothly and naturally from one to the next. But at the same time I feel that each strike should be as devastating as possible, putting each area and threat out of commission as soon as possible.

I've recently been involved with some people from American Kenpo and I can tell you they definetly believe in Flow. Maybe too much so, in my opinion. They really remind me of the Wing Chun chain punches.

[Tant01]

I can't believe you got TEN PAGES out of this topic!

Time to rep you HB...

[makiwara]

I've recently been involved with some people from American Kenpo and I can tell you they definetly believe in Flow. Maybe too much so, in my opinion. They really remind me of the Wing Chun chain punches.

I like the direction that Kenpo takes with it, though I believe that they (and most arts) get too cemented into techniques, and don't focus enough on interchangeable principles of movement. But I think with a combination you can acheive a verrsatility that transcends styles.

[Hardball]

I can't believe you got TEN PAGES out of this topic!

Time to rep you HB...

You have to ponder on the topic. It is very deep and profound. Personally, I like to get my street fights over with one punch from my conditioned knuckles to a vital spot. I don't believe in pitter patter. LOL

[Hardball]

I like the direction that Kenpo takes with it, though I believe that they (and most arts) get too cemented into techniques, and don't focus enough on interchangeable principles of movement. But I think with a combination you can acheive a verrsatility that transcends styles.

I'm not sure if I understand why the Kenpo people retreat so much after throwing a combination.

[Hardball]

I can't believe you got TEN PAGES out of this topic!

Time to rep you HB...

Thanks. Your rep gave me 8 more points. That's a lot from one dude!!!

[Tant01]

Thanks. Your rep gave me 8 more points. That's a lot from one dude!!!

Yes, treasure your new found reputation. I don't give it away to just anyone!

LOL

[Hardball]

Yes, treasure your new found reputation. I don't give it away to just anyone!

LOL

Thanks, Dude. I'll return the favor when the puter resets itself.

[makiwara]

I'm not sure if I understand why the Kenpo people retreat so much after throwing a combination.

It very well may have to do with the fact that they are bound by the combo that they are are in. While I like the fact that they focus on directional harmony I feel that by having such precise combos, that they get stuck in it once they start. So, by backing up they may just be creating distance to start on their next set of ritualized techniques.

[makiwara]

Yes, treasure your new found reputation. I don't give it away to just anyone!

LOL

What is meant by reputation and points I don't get how that works.

[Hardball]

It very well may have to do with the fact that they are bound by the combo that they are are in. While I like the fact that they focus on directional harmony I feel that by having such precise combos, that they get stuck in it once they start. So, by backing up they may just be creating distance to start on their next set of ritualized techniques.

Wasn't it Bruce Lee who said, "Avoid premeditated combinations? To me, their retreat doesn't make sense because If I hit somebody that many times I know they will fall. Thus, why retreat?

[Hardball]

What is meant by reputation and points I don't get how that works.

See the little white tree looking thing at the bottom of every post. Point and left click on it and you will see a dialouge box pop up. Also, up the top of the fourm left click on user cp. You will see how many reputation points you have. It's unique to this message board. I think it's fun and a good idea. I'm gonna get you started by repping you for bringing this thread back to life.