Secrets of Judo...

[Tant01]

Judo has a handfull of leglocks that you might enjoy practicing on your friends.

It is rare to find instruction in these techniques in a typical Judo club.

If you would like to know more about leg dislocations lets get rolling...

If you are familiar with Tate-Shiho-Gatame. (Read MOUNT) do you play TATE-SHIHO-HIZA-HISHIGI ??? (it's a leg lock)


Someone recently asked about a so called "X" gaurd from BJJ. I have said many times that we don't apply a NAME to every single position or TRANSITION in Judo. But I know the ANTI STOMPING defense this "Gaurd" position is for. Seperate, isolate, destroy...(submit)

How far can you press a position before it becomes a sweep?

Lets talk about something interesting for a change? Or ARGUE? Bring it!

Lets roll...

[Hardball]

My only criticisim of the leg lock is that depending on the rules if you leave one leg free; you are leaving yourself open to a nasty kick from the free leg. It doesn't matter if you do the lock with lightining speed (may turn into a leg break) be if you are just trying to go for a tap out. Beware, a lighting thrust kick may be waiting for you.

Also, My experience is that some of those judo/JJJ/sambo leg locks require extreme flexibiltiy in your legs.

[Tant01]

"THE" leglock? Which one?

If you apply a lock to ONE leg and you perform the technique from the outside it is quite difficult for the Uke to kick anything with serious force. More likely he will try to sweep, reap or otherwise defeat the submission by escaping.

I am fond of Kani Garami... how can you kick anything with your legs tangled up?

[Hardball]

"THE" leglock? Which one?

If you apply a lock to ONE leg and you perform the technique from the outside it is quite difficult for the Uke to kick anything with serious force. More likely he will try to sweep, reap or otherwise defeat the submission by escaping.

I am fond of Kani Garami... how can you kick anything with your legs tangled up?

It's an area of weakness for me. I only know a couple of leg locks at most.

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

It's an area of weakness for me. I only know a couple of leg locks at most.

same here, i basically know three with variations. there's a place in town that mixes judo and sambo for randori, which is pretty much my dream school if i can ever get my schedule/finances straightened out

[Hardball]

I don't really believe in them that much. I think a couple is enough for what I wanna do. I'm not even intrested in Sambo at this point in my life--except for how to defend against those leg locks. Now, theres something interesting--how the hell do you defend against these leg locks.?

[The_Judo_Jibboo]

I don't really believe in them that much. I think a couple is enough for what I wanna do. I'm not even intrested in Sambo at this point in my life--except for how to defend against those leg locks. Now, theres something interesting--how the hell do you defend against these leg locks.?

i'm pretty similar actually, i just want to practice where leglocks are legal so i don't develop huge blindspots in my game

[Tant01]

Greetings...

In Judo there are several varaitions of ... (I want to say eight but don't quote me on that) leglocks.

I'm sure sombo has many nasty tricks as well.

Kata ashi hishigi is a very common "ankle" lock or calf crushing technique that can be performed standing or on the deck (on your back/seated position) I have seen many variations of this simple hold (dislocation technique) in MMA.

Think of catching a kick with his foot trapped behind your armpit and lock your arms around it...

Picture might help here? (?)

[Tant01]

This is a fundamental hold to be sure and no doubt you know you can apply your own leg lock to his leg from some positions?

It is good to know the tricks so as not to be caught by them, eh?

[Tant01]

I don't really believe in them that much. I think a couple is enough for what I wanna do. I'm not even intrested in Sambo at this point in my life--except for how to defend against those leg locks. Now, theres something interesting--how the hell do you defend against these leg locks.?

Yes very good! Thanks again HB.

Leglock defense has been unnecessary in many areas for a long time. With modern so called "No Holds Barred" fighting games this is no longer the case!

The best defense is a good offense HardBall. Think about some leg entanglement throws (Osoto Gari) the first leg throw is a perfect set up for Hiza hishige

[Hardball]

Greetings...

In Judo there are several varaitions of ... (I want to say eight but don't quote me on that) leglocks.

I'm sure sombo has many nasty tricks as well.

Kata ashi hishigi is a very common "ankle" lock or calf crushing technique that can be performed standing or on the deck (on your back/seated position) I have seen many variations of this simple hold (dislocation technique) in MMA.

Think of catching a kick with his foot trapped behind your armpit and lock your arms around it...

Picture might help here? (?)

I know that one and I was counting that as an ankle lock not a leg lock. ( being said in a polite way)

[Tant01]

Play Nice!!! (EASY)

I know that one and I was counting that as an ankle lock not a leg lock. ( being said in a polite way)

There is only a small matter of adjusting the position of your legs to apply torque (toward the outside of his knee) for this hold to become a KNEE dislocation technique.

Think HB? You have the lever in your arms, the fulcrum is your legs. His knee is gone if you bend it in the un-natural direction(s) while it is isolated?

Look at the illustration again...

Press his knee tight between your legs and lean over while holding his foot behind your armpit.

(BE NICE TO YOUR FRIENDS!!!)

IF YOU DO THIS with your fellow students PLEASE BE CAREFUL

GO SLOW enough for them to tap out and DON'T tweak your joints so hard they grind, eh... that shit hurts and MAY REQUIRE SURGERY to fix it!

[Hardball]

There is only a small matter of adjusting the position of your legs to apply torque (toward the outside of his knee) for this hold to become a KNEE dislocation technique.

Think HB? You have the lever in your arms, the fulcrum is your legs. His knee is gone if you bend it in the un-natural direction(s) while it is isolated?

Look at the illustration again...

Press his knee tight between your legs and lean over while holding his foot behind your armpit.

(BE NICE TO YOUR FRIENDS!!!)

IF YOU DO THIS with your fellow students PLEASE BE CAREFUL

GO SLOW enough for them to tap out and DON'T tweak your joints so hard they grind, eh... that shit hurts and MAY REQUIRE SURGERY to fix it!

I told you I was weak in Leglocks and you just proved it. LOL Anyway, who says you can't learn grappling from print. LOL

[Tant01]

Ashi Kanuki

This is a (leg) leglock applied from the bottom position when the Uke is in your (HALF GAURD) Be careful the Uke does not stand up or you can be caught in your own leglock.

Some folks use it as a strangulation/neck dislocation technique often called a "triangle" choke.

http://www.judoinfo.com/leglocks.htm

[Tant01]

"..the essential role of the leg locks consists above all in determining defensive reactions which can be exploited in order to apply strangulations and arm locks".
Mikonosuke Kawaishi