Which art to Choose!

[Mr.Sp]

Hey I'm new to the forums, but I have a question.
I am going to start gracie Brazilian Jujitsu in the next two weeks. With it I find I also will be able to practice one other martial arts form on mondays and wensdays. So I started looking, first I found an interest in Aikido, but then I watched a few Hapkido sparring sessions and videos online and it seems much more aggressive and I found a larger interest in it due to the mix of an aggressive aikido style and a stronger use of striking.
Then I also have always been a fan of ninjitsu, like any other 20 year old that knows what it is.
I'm also looking into Wingchung. Now that is an amazing art and I also found a real video of someone in a street fight using this Art. It seemed to be very fast and very affective for hand combat.
So at the end of the day I say without a doubt I will choose Brazilian Jujitsu as one art just for the ability to take control of almost any fight and protect my self and subdue my threat by taking it to the ground which is not a very hard thing to do as long as the guy is not 10 times my size, but at the same time I'm sure BJJ will lead the way to ending that threat as well, over time.

I like hapkido more then aikido and if I get into hapkido I wont be interested in doing wing chung for the time being. So all in all I am thinking Brazilian jujitsu and Hapkido, for them being my favorite and also I would probably enjoy them more then the others and I would also be in favor with them in the case of a real fight.

Any thoughts or recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!

[jubaji]

I think something like boxing, MT, kyokushin, or the like would be a better supplement for you than any of those you mentioned.

Also, don't assume taking someone down will be as easy as you seem to think. That's something you need to tain as well, and more than just jumping into guard.

[Mr.Sp]

Well I'm not interested in boxing or MT for the time being but the Kyokushin looks bad ass, but at the same time Hapkido will go over the kicking part like Kyokushin, and it will also give me the submission techniques im looking for.

[jubaji]

The whole 'standing submissions' stuff (and the like) is why I'd recommend something else. Also, its not going to "go over the kicking stuff" the same way that something like kyokushin or Japanese Kempo or san shou or something will, meaning live, hard, and competitively. Any reason you are set against boxing or MT?

[Mr.Sp]

Although Kyokushin does look rather interesting,
This looks even more interesting though...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5q-OeU9Vh0

And This

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOCgfuajpJs

I am set off boxing and MT and TKD because I want to start training in Something like BJJ and Hapkido for a year or so before I get into a martial arts that is toward striking.
Im to aggressive and If I trained my self on just striking right now then if i got into a fight it would be very bad for my situation after. With these I can avoid a physical striking fight and stay out of trouble and I will better of to not hurt someone.
Me and my friends have a lot of fun wrestling and practicing joint manipulation and I just find that to be more fun then boxing. At the end of the day I can have fun and learn how to protect my self with out having to really hurt anyone, but there always being the option that I can hurt them much more then a punch if need by. Catch what im saying?
I have nothing against the other forms I just think these two would be more practical for me right now.

[jubaji]

I am set off boxing and MT and TKD because I want to start training in Something like BJJ and Hapkido for a year or so before I get into a martial arts that is toward striking..

??????????

You mentioned hapkido covering kicking previously. Doesn't that count as striking?


And, you want to train in BJJ, which is a very proven and practical MA, but you also want to add hapkido or aikido, which for the most part are not (relative to something like BJJ or boxing or the like).

???

[jubaji]

Im to aggressive and If I trained my self on just striking right now then if i got into a fight it would be very bad for my situation after. With these I can avoid a physical striking fight and stay out of trouble and I will better of to not hurt someone.

If you don't have the self control to determine when aggression is or is not called for, then it won't matter what you study. Do you think you will grapple with someone in a 'real' situation and not need to become aggressive at some point? Also, its a better idea to worry about the ability to prevail in a given situation before indulging in concern about how badly you might hurt a person who is out to hurt you. That's a kind of vanity if you ask me.

[Mr.Sp]

Ok first whats the like? and as far as it not being relative that is the point. Of taking two, so that I can learn one for one type of fighting and another for another type of fighting, I.E. One for ground fighting and the other for standing.

Now the part on kicking, don't be so strict on what I am looking to do. I dont mind striking, I just think I would enjoy practicing something that would be into join manipulation more but at the same time also practice striking. But you have to understand hapkido does not strike as much as boxing or MT. So I will get the best of both worlds and have fun doing it.
But If I get into a fight on the streets and I get pissed off, If I know only MT then I'm going really hurt the guy because my self control isn't as strong when I get in fights as most of the people on here, I would be the guy that would get into the fight after only a few words were said. In the end the dude is hurt and I don't feel like dealing with cops and lawyers trying to plee self defense.

On the other hand I could learn Hapkido and know how to do joint manipulation and also many take downs and submissions to stop my threat in a somewhat more peacefully manor then to beat the living crap out of them like I would With MT. But I also have the option to kick his head in if I have to. So I would much rather have the ability to do both rather then just one. And if I had the time to practice hapkido BJJ and MT then I would but for right now BJJ is my number one and Hapkido is my number two for the stated reasons? Does that make more sense?

[Mr.Sp]

If you don't have the self control to determine when aggression is or is not called for, then it won't matter what you study. Do you think you will grapple with someone in a 'real' situation and not need to become aggressive at some point? Also, its a better idea to worry about the ability to prevail in a given situation before indulging in concern about how badly you might hurt a person who is out to hurt you. That's a kind of vanity if you ask me.

Well practicing a MA will help me learn self control in those situations. But I enjoy wrestling and grappling more then I do boxing so I will be protected and I will also have fun while training. so isnt that what's important?
Are you against Hapkido / Akido or are you just making other suggestions for me?

[jubaji]

Ok first whats the like? and as far as it not being relative that is the point. Of taking two, so that I can learn one for one type of fighting and another for another type of fighting, I.E. One for ground fighting and the other for standing.

That's (part of) what I'm talking about. Why study one very practical and proven type for ground work and then study one of questionable practicality for stand up? You want to be a good ground fighter and a lousy stand up fighter? Well, ok...if that's what you're after but it seems like a strange goal.

[Mr.Sp]

How do you find hapkido to be a lousy form of standing self defense? Is it now just Aikido (which is a very old and proven MA) with more aggressive tactics and more striking involved?

[jubaji]

Now the part on kicking, don't be so strict on what I am looking to do. I dont mind striking, I just think I would enjoy practicing something that would be into join manipulation more but at the same time also practice striking. But you have to understand hapkido does not strike as much as boxing or MT. So I will get the best of both worlds and have fun doing it.
But If I get into a fight on the streets and I get pissed off, If I know only MT then I'm going really hurt the guy because my self control isn't as strong when I get in fights as most of the people on here, I would be the guy that would get into the fight after only a few words were said. In the end the dude is hurt and I don't feel like dealing with cops and lawyers trying to plee self defense.

Its not "the best of both worlds" if one of those worlds is significantly lacking, is it?

If you just want to do it to have fun, then go for it, nothing else to be discussed and why ask for advice? No one can advise you on what you will consider 'fun.'

As for the "if I get pissed off" part:

IF you really were Wolverine from the comic books as you seem to want to believe you are, then studying hapkido would not stop you from going into your primal rage mode and brutalizing everyone around you. Standing joint manipulations in a real confrontation are not a great bet, and if you could train your striking better and more realistically why wouldn't you? Go to a shrink if you need to calm your unstoppable inner beast, not a dojang. Learning to defend yourself less effectively will not make you less of a psycho.

People who talk endlessly about lawyers when discussing how best to keep your ass in one piece when someone wants to hurt you always strike me as dealing with theoreticals and lacking common sense and a grounding in reality. If someone is trying to hurt you, you either go away or deal with it and worry about applicable local statutes later.

[jubaji]

But I enjoy wrestling and grappling more then I do boxing so I will be protected and I will also have fun while training. so isnt that what's important?

If its just your personal preference, then leave it at that. You know what you want to do and don't need any advice on the matter.

[jubaji]

How do you find hapkido to be a lousy form of standing self defense? Is it now just Aikido (which is a very old and proven MA) with more aggressive tactics and more striking involved?

Aikido is not very old, and the "proven" part is certainly a matter of some debate.

Lousy will of course depend a lot on the person training, but the point is that it is my (and many others) opinion that for the standup skills you may be looking for there are other options that are more direct and verifiably effective choices.

But again, if you just want to because you want to, then that's up to you. Couldn't hurt, I suppose.

[kingoftheforest]

Comic book heroes

IF you really were Wolverine from the comic books as you seem to want to believe you are,

Besides if you wanna be wolverine you'd have to train in Judo, samurai sword skills, ninjutsu and WWII combatives cause that is all the things he trained in. lol