Chin-Na/Judo combo?

[TheRealOC]

Let me preface this by saying I've only studied Muay Thai for a while so I know little about grappling.

I'm thinking of taking up judo but I read that without wearing a gi a lot of the throws don't work. I contacted a few clubs in Dublin,Ireland but none of them teach no-gi judo. Would it be possible to use chin-na style muscle grabbing techniques to help execute judo throws when your opponent isnt wearing a gi. I'd imagine it would hurt like hell. Any thoughts?

[JadeDragon]

Let me preface this by saying I've only studied Muay Thai for a while so I know little about grappling.

I'm thinking of taking up judo but I read that without wearing a gi a lot of the throws don't work. I contacted a few clubs in Dublin,Ireland but none of them teach no-gi judo. Would it be possible to use chin-na style muscle grabbing techniques to help execute judo throws when your opponent isnt wearing a gi. I'd imagine it would hurt like hell. Any thoughts?

Chin na is used mainly for controling an opponent. It's usually used to counter such attacks as wrist grabs, shirt grabs, hair grabs, etc.... The very name means to seize and control. It is very good for bouncers who want to "escort" a patron out of the bar. The pain will make the customer go where ever the bouncer wants them to go. It's noes have some grappling in it but not in the sense that you may be thinking. This is the expert on chin na. http://shaolintempleboxing.org/main.html

Also note that he is using a chin na hold in the picture when you click on classes and schedule.

[Tant01]

Rumor Vs reality...

Let me preface this by saying I've only studied Muay Thai for a while so I know little about grappling.

I'm thinking of taking up judo but I read that without wearing a gi a lot of the throws don't work. I contacted a few clubs in Dublin,Ireland but none of them teach no-gi judo. Would it be possible to use chin-na style muscle grabbing techniques to help execute judo throws when your opponent isnt wearing a gi. I'd imagine it would hurt like hell. Any thoughts?

Most folks in the world don't wear a judo gi but LOTS of them wear shirts and jackets.

There are MANY judo techniques aside from throwing that work just fine without a Judo gi. There are a number of throws and takedowns that work without a gi as well.

It's not like learning to pull hair then trying to fight a bald guy...

[TheRealOC]

Sorry, let me explain myself a bit better. What I was thinking of was an MMA scenario where all you have is an opponent wearing a pair of shorts. Could you use the sort of chin na muscle grabbing techniques shown in this video (YouTube - Msucle Grabbing Chin Na) to get hold of the guy and do some judo throws that way?

[Tant01]

Could I? Maybe?

Sorry, let me explain myself a bit better. What I was thinking of was an MMA scenario where all you have is an opponent wearing a pair of shorts. Could you use the sort of chin na muscle grabbing techniques shown in this video (YouTube - Msucle Grabbing Chin Na) to get hold of the guy and do some judo throws that way?

I don't personally train sport specific style(s) From what (very) little I know of CMA seizing, Chin na and Judo seem very compatible. As for the application in the arena I have doubts. That little smear of petroleum jelly on the face of each competitor tends to negate a good deal of your grip game.

Pain compliance and pressure point attacks may not specifically be against the "rules" but much of the destructive NATURE of CHIN NA would be very un sportsmanlike...

It's one thing to make your opponent submit. It another thing to intentionally maim or cripple a player.

I don't play that...

[jubaji]

Betting your ass on pain compliance is always a sucker's bet.