Isshinryu Karate

[kengar]

Anyone experienced in Isshinryu?
I spent a few years in Isshinryu and throughly enjoyed it. I always found the phlosophy of the system to be quite street applicable. I have found another local instructor who is wanting to put together a small group of people to train with and then at a certain point, open free training through his church. I hope this goes through, I've been waiting to train again in this system for a long time.




Ken

[brokenelbow]

I love it. I've been doing it on and off for awhile but lately it's become my art of choice. Very practical if taught correctly.

[kengar]

From other styles I've seen or particapated in I found it to more of my liking. I found it to very sound and with a good foundation. I have just spoken with the gentleman whom I was looking to train with and at this time he isn't able to do so because of a serious injury. So I will just have to see where I go from here.
Glad to hear you enjoy it so much. Pretty much straight forward and no fancy BS.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Karate is the devil.

And it is gay.

[kengar]

I think I could speak for a many people here, "thank you for your infinite wisdom."






ken

[Szczepankiewicz]

No trouble at all.

[Ox Lion]

I'm sick to death of people completely putting karate down ALL the time, i mean come on it's not that bad. WHY???????

[Jitsu]

Who ever has the balls to put karate down. Is likely not very proficient in any art. There may be favor found in other styles but karate harnest much of the basics and foundation. Those basics may be refined and move away from traditional karate but they are founded on basics.

If you have advance past the principals of karate without having digested the basics you may have developed a false sense of security and will likely find you are without foundation, and find yourself on your Ass one day.

Dont Sleep

[brokenelbow]

Don't sweat it Ox Lion, different strokes for different folks. Spank have you ever taken or seen Isshinryu? It sure isn't Shotokan.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Hell son, I never even heared of Isshinroo.

[Thai Bri]

Originally posted by Ox Lion
I'm sick to death of people completely putting karate down ALL the time, i mean come on it's not that bad. WHY???????

I mean no offence. I have trod the path that you now tread, and have seen that it leads no-where. I have fought for real many times, and found that only the reverse punch is of use, and you have to be devious to land it. This is why I put Karate down.

It is robotic and rigid.

You learn "basics" that you never use in a real fight.

You march up and down a dojo striking at thin air.

When you do use striking pads (and Shukokai is one of the few styles that does) you stand their, all rigid with no movement, and hit it like a robot.

You waste your time with silly Katas that have no practical application to a real fight whatsoever.

Many of your techniques leave you vulnerable to real fighters, like spinning kicks, and high kicks in general.

You practice a series of cumbersom blocks that can hardly ever be used in a real fight.

The whole distance at which you spar is too far away to have relevance to a real fight. When a real streetfighter gets up close and personal everything youve learned flies out of the window.

You don't train in brutal strikes and low kicks. Only the gentlemanly punches and kicks above the waist.

You get grades for turning up often enough, thus paying up enough dosh.



And thats just off the top of my head. See me in another thread recommending you try Thai Boxing and Brasillian Jiu Jitsu. Go and have a friendly spar with the people their. Do not be discouraged when they totally (I mean TOTALLY) own you. just take it as the painful learning process, switch clubs, and then get yourself on the path to effective training.

Karate was once an effective art. Men would strike to the eyes, throat, temple, kidneys and knee caps with an array of brutal techniques. Not just "Jodan Tsuki" etc. They wouldn't wiggle their legs high in the air. But all that is gone. Commercialism took over, and left you with an art fit for your granny.

No offence. Just give the Thai and BJJ a try out. Then post what happened.

[brokenelbow]

Maybe I'm not learning karate?

Once again Thai Bri shows his vast depth of, well his vast depth of misinformation. Let me check his list with how I'm learning karate.

TB:It is robotic and rigid.
BE:Nope it flows.

TB:You learn "basics" that you never use in a real fight.
BE:Nope, the basics are very usefull and well laid out.

TB:You march up and down a dojo striking at thin air.
BE:Nope, we usually stand in close hitting a nice warm body. Also do throws and locks. All fast all practical.

TB:When you do use striking pads (and Shukokai is one of the few styles that does) you stand their, all rigid with no movement, and hit it like a robot.
BE:If I did that I'd get hit.

TB:You waste your time with silly Katas that have no practical application to a real fight whatsoever.
BE:I'm learning principles first, techniques and then kata.

TB:Many of your techniques leave you vulnerable to real fighters, like spinning kicks, and high kicks in general.
BE:See below.

TB:You practice a series of cumbersom blocks that can hardly ever be used in a real fight.
BE:The blocks are very light and practical, but body movement is more important.

TB:The whole distance at which you spar is too far away to have relevance to a real fight. When a real streetfighter gets up close and personal everything youve learned flies out of the window.
BE:We work in close at less than arms length.

TB:You don't train in brutal strikes and low kicks. Only the gentlemanly punches and kicks above the waist.
BE:

TB:You get grades for turning up often enough, thus paying up enough dosh.
BE:No belts, no uniform.

Go here,

http://w3.trib.com/~smammon/isshin.html

Do a search on 15 Basic Isshinryu Hand Techniques and 9 Basic Isshinryu Kicking Techniques and tell me what I wouldn't use in a fight. By the way TB, the verticle punch is usually used to the solar plexus. Also most of the basics are performed very close in.

[Thai Bri]

In fairness to you, broken elbow, I have no knowledge of Isshin Ryu. I should have made that clear. But I have seen and trained with so many different styles of Karate, and my description os good for the lot of them. I was replying to the guy who wondered why Karate always got slagged off, not specifically Isshin Ryu.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Numma wan technique: Straight punch.

Step forward, good.

Strike hard, good.

Leave other hand at waist ready to strike again. Yes, please do... (i.e. not so good).

All of the other illustrations of Te Waza leave the off hand at the waist. WTF??? Protecting that hard won black belt from theft???


I'm anticipating you'll say "But that's not really how we fight"

My only response would be 'Practice Makes Permanent'.

Spanky

[brokenelbow]

But I have seen and trained with so many different styles of Karate, and my description os good for the lot of them.

Seen those too TB, crappy training methods. But that's not all of karate.

I'm anticipating you'll say "But that's not really how we fight"

Good, then I won't have to say it.

Leave other hand at waist ready to strike again. Yes, please do... (i.e. not so good).

Hey, it's just a method of demonstrating and learning the basic techniques. I know it's not explained in the pictures but the punching hand doesn't go back to the waist right after the punch. It returns to a position in front of the body where it's ready for another strike and protecting the ribs. It's also a big reason for the use of the vertical punch instead of the horizontal. Anyways I do sometimes leave my right hand by my waist if I think someone may be wanting to start trouble. It's where my folder is or I can possibly sneak a first strike in to his gut, so it's a hand position that is practical for some situations.