Sammy Franco's Widowmaker

[Aaron]

Does anyone have this book and DVD? It looks pretty good. Just wondering if it is worth buying.

[Drew Howe]

It's a good buy.

[ryanhall]

I wrote a review for it on his site. Go check out the forum. It was very good.

[kengar]

Ryan,
Do you a link to your review or it posted on the forum? S Franco's site seems to be down at the moment.

[ryanhall]

Ken,
I can't get onto the site now, but I'll link up the review as soon as i can get access to the url.

[ryanhall]

Here it is. Enjoy (or don't, as the case may be):

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=104314&messageid=1064339910&lp=1064815279

[Szczepankiewicz]

Fact of the matter is that it hits a hell of a lot harder than any other shot I can throw from the first strike stance.

Like that's saying much....


Good review.

Thanks Ryan.

Spanky

[kengar]

So what's the verdict, Shredder of Widowmaker? I don't want to pit people against each other, I'm sure they're both great products. I've heard great things about he Shredder, very good about the Widowmaker, but the Widowmaker comes on DVD and that is a big plus.


Ken

[Thai Bri]

Think of it like an old vintage wine. The original may well come in an old bottle, but it is the perfection you seek.

The crappy copy comes with a gleaming bottle and shiny top.

Which would you honestly choose?

[Szczepankiewicz]

The cheaper one, of course.

I thought you'd know that by now!

[Thai Bri]

While I'm at it, look at the total bull that recently appeared on the Franco site.

http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/thread?forumid=104314&messageid=1070318659&lp=1070373708

Knife-Fighting...
December 1 2003 at 5:44 PM Brandon (Login ChimpChamp)


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Sammy, you said in your post in a reply to my "Shredding/Razing while using a Blade", that "knife-fighting requires fine motor skill." I'm not an expert in this at all, I read somewhere and people have been telling me that during a streetfight, only gross motor skills can be applied. In the fights I've been in, they were sloppy but I'm sitll alive. If that's the case, and they say they did studies, can fine motor skils be applied with the knife? I'm not questioning your program or teaching methods, I am confused on the matter. Perhaps I interpreted information wrong, but I look forward to your opinion/answer to this, much appreciated .

Veritas, Aequitas.

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IMHO gross motor skill movements are the "default response" of the untrained fighter. December 2 2003, 9:01 AM

Hello Brandon, no offense taken pal. IMHO gross motor skill movements are the "default response" of the untrained fighter. Frankly, I think its a "cop out" response for anyone who doesn't want to take the time to master self-defense.

I know for a fact that you CAN use fine motor skill movements in a street fight. How do I know? I have used it in numerous self-defense situations.

Brandon consider this...if gross motor skill movements were such a useful and pragmatic SD response, then why don't we train our military in such a fashion? Could you imagine how a USAF fighter pilot would do in his billion dollar jet if he was trained to use "gross motor skills" when engaged in a dog fight! Jesus Christ!, he would dead in seconds.

What about a professional boxer? Or a professional race car driver? A military sniper? How about the NFL quarterback who is rushed by a wall of men traying to kill him every Sunday afternoon? Regardless of the threat, these professionals use fine motor skill mechanics under tremendous threat and pressure. So why can't you?

Now as for knife fighting.....if you want to survive, you better be damn sure of 2 things. One, you better be fast. Two, you better cut accurately. Accuracy requires 'fine motor" skill movement. I rest my case.

Great question by the way.

-Sammy



Franco saying fine motor skills are what is needed in a knife fight? Here was my response (logged in as "bulldetector"), but it stayed up for about three seconds -

"My bulldetector is going off
December 2 2003 at 3:57 PM bulldetector bulldetector
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Flying a jet isn't anything like anything that humans are meant to do, so what gross skills ARE they supposed to use? They train 'em as well as they can and, luckily, the guys in the other planes are just as human. So it all kind of evens out. And, it case you didn't notice, they don't often fly them in the street. Poor example.

The old "this is true because the military do it" argument is also flawed. The US killed more Brits in the last War than Iraquis. And they're crashing Copters like theres no tomorrow. Hardly the best example for us to follow. Unless you really hate Brits and Copters.....

Lets look at some other of your examples.
1. Boxer? But they use gross motor skills Sammy. They only have three basic punches. Gross motor skils, albeit honed to a high degree of skill..

2. Pro Race car driver? They change gear and twiddle with a wheel and shove their foot down on a pedal. Gross motor skills Sammy, albeit honed to a high degree of skill.....

3. NFL Quarterback? You mean the guy who throws a ball. Gross motor skills Sammy. Albeit.... even you can guess the rest.

"Now as for knife fighting.....if you want to survive, you better be damn sure of 2 things. One, you better be fast. Two, you better cut accurately. Accuracy requires 'fine motor" skill movement. I rest my case."

Who says accuracy with a knife is fine motor skills? Again, it is a GROSS motor skill, albeit the more honed to a high degree it is the more accurate you can be.

What are you going to recommend next? Aikido? Spinning back kicks? Somersaulting building leaping stick twirling whacking off?

Man, you're telling people dangerous things here. You're going to get people killed. Don't you have someone to check your work before you put it out on the net?

Expert Gross Motor Skills are NOTHING TO DO with fine motor skills. It always makes me giggle when a self professed expert goes a bluff too far. You tripped yourself up good style over this one. You'd better delete this quick before your army of ass kissers begin to see that their Emperror is naked."

[ryanhall]

Like that's saying much

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

At least I'm not one of the proud trio participating in the famed "Fat Wrap Challenge". What do you say to that, Potato Man? Why don't you go farm some potatoes, Potato Man. You like potatoes in Idaho, right, Potato Man?

Good review.

Thanks Ryan.

Thanks. No problem, amigo.

[Thai Bri]

You guys know I like to poke fun, and can be a pain in the ass. But its all done for a laugh. But I'm dead serious about this. I once tried to ask him a question about "his" theories. Not only would he not answer, he wouldn't let somone else answer either. His response was along the lines of "just buy the tape".

I did buy a tape. But went for the old vintage. Old bottle may be. It wasn't "DVD Quality", but it was the original. Its the content that counts. The taste. NOT the packaging. The phrase "all style and no substance" comes to mind.

MODS - leave this in. Franco is a big boy. It is a genuine criticism about a guy who makes money in this business. Let him defend himself.

[kengar]

thanks for the comments guys.

[Thai Bri]

Well, YOU can't be Sammy Franco Thats for sure!