Dan Inosanto

[krys]

With all respects I don't have a high opinion on him.
I heard that he promised to one of my former silat instructors to help him when he would come to the US to teach, which he never did.... His book on fmas is also full of inacuracies and wrong information...

[Szczepankiewicz]

Sounds like you have some evidence somewhere you can provide to the forum?

I like the whole 'he promised to do XYZ'.

I work with a bunch of chuckleheads who pull that shit all the time.

BUT SPANKY, you promised to help me do this.

My response is: I don't make promises I can't keep, nor do I makes promises on trivial crap, therefore, kind sir, you are either mistaken or making shit up.

So, krys, please clarify your statements, and back them up with evidence, or I'll gladly delete your post(s) on this topic.

Spanky

[sikal]

I don't have a high opinion on him.
He promised to one of my former silat instructors to help him when he would come to the US to teach, which he never did.... His book on fmas is also full of inacuracies and wrong information...
and.....

Something to keep in mind is that you don't personally know exactly what transpired between your old instructor and Guro Dan. It may have simply been a misunderstanding, or something may have happened between them later that put a crimp in things.

He's the first one to admit that his book on FMAs had some inaccuracies - as I understand it, that's one of the reasons the book is still out of print - he won't let it be reprinted. But the book was accurate to the best of his knowledge when he wrote it based on what he knew at the time. As I understand it some people wouldn't talk to him and later griped about things he wrote - things that would have been corrected if they had told him their side. Other people specifically told him not to put them in the book - then griped when the book came out because they weren't in the book. I think he did the best he could at the time - and I don't think he can be faulted for it.

But, keep in mind, I don't have any firsthand knowledge of any of this either so I could be completely wrong - but based on what I've seen from Guro Dan over the years and heard about him from a variety of sources who are close to him, I find it hard to believe that he'd fail to come through on a promise made without some sort of reason.

Mike

[sikal]

Sounds like you have some evidence somewhere you can provide to the forum?

I like the whole 'he promised to do XYZ'.

I work with a bunch of chuckleheads who pull that shit all the time.

BUT SPANKY, you promised to help me do this.

My response is: I don't make promises I can't keep, nor do I makes promises on trivial crap, therefore, kind sir, you are either mistaken or making shit up.

So, krys, please clarify your statements, and back them up with evidence, or I'll gladly delete your post(s) on this topic.

Spanky

Wow, Spanky, you phrased it so much more succinctly than I did

Mike

[sercuerdas]

why would you delete his post. it is his opinoin. i have heard similiar things about inosanto, and maybe the details aren't everyones business. he doesn't have to have a great opinion of him. i will say that inosanto trained with many masters who shared there arts with him, and maybe some of those masters exspected more in return then they got.

[krys]

Hello Spanky, concerning the Dan Inosanto thread..

Sounds like you have some evidence somewhere you can provide to the forum?

I like the whole 'he promised to do XYZ'.

I work with a bunch of chuckleheads who pull that shit all the time.

BUT SPANKY, you promised to help me do this.

My response is: I don't make promises I can't keep, nor do I makes promises on trivial crap, therefore, kind sir, you are either mistaken or making shit up.

So, krys, please clarify your statements, and back them up with evidence, or I'll gladly delete your post(s) on this topic.

Spanky

I wasn't there but heard the story and everything that transpired, so feel free to erase my post and the following.... anyway I think I know Charles Joussolt and he is not the kind of man who needs to lie, this is taken from his http://www.fisfo.com/english/index.html website go then to ->all the news-> feb. 28th, 2001.
He isn't a native english speaker.

[Szczepankiewicz]

Sec,

that is a good question. As of late, we've had a rash of posts bashing well known personalities.

Are you familiar with these terms:

Libel - A false publication, as in writing, print, signs, or pictures, that damages a person's reputation.

Slander - Law. Oral communication of false statements injurious to a person's reputation.

In order to discourage this type of behavior, and to improve the quality of discussion on this forum I have taken to calling people out when I think they're pushing the envelope.

Sammy Franco, Dan Inosanto, Richard Dimitri, Alain Burrese, Geoff Thompson, Anyone named Gracie, Tim Mousel, et al, all have professional reputations within the Martial Arts. As public figures they are subject to a certain level of criticism.

MOST however are not members of this forum. Furthermore, if you're going to post your opinion that's fine. For example.

I hate Royce Gracie.

I think Kid Peligro needs a haircut.

I want to have Bri Thai's love child.

That is a perfectly reasonable and acceptable statement. However, the following statement is unacceptable.

I hate Royce Gracie because he promised my uncle's sister's cousin's granny that he would come to Fairfield, Idaho and help teach a GJJ class for charity.

Big difference.

If krys, or anyone else wants to say he doesn't think highly of Dan Inosanto, or for that matter, Ryanhall or Spanky, that's fine. (especially for ryan. I enjoy that )

If krys, or anyone else wants to try and validate his opinions beyond that, he'd better have some facts to back it up.

To be specific, krys stated: He promised to one of my former silat instructors
This is pretty much heresay and inadmissable as evidence.

Another example by krys: His book on fmas is also full of inacuracies and wrong information...

This can be substantiated, provided krys answers my requests with specific quotes from the book and a reasoned discourse as to why it is incorrect.

I have no problem with krys and I'm sorry to make such a big deal out of it, but this is the reason why Guro Dan, Royce Gracie (who I don't really hate) and others won't post on internet forums.

So, that's why I'll delete that single post.

Spanky (the wannabe lawyer)

[Szczepankiewicz]

Per krys previous post: That's all I wanted to see.

If forum members make comments, be prepared to back them up as krys has done.


Goood day.

Spanky

[El Mastero]

It's funny, I just read the link that Kyrys (sp?) provided. In it the guy states that Dan Inosanto said that his wife was in charge of all the decision making. That would have stricken me as odd if not for comments that she was purported to have made in a magazine and was posted on a website.

http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/invdragon/letter.html

From this letter alone she comes off as very pushy. Like an authority figure on JKD. It's clear that she runs the show. I respect Dan Inosanto and the fact that he hasn't been very vocal in the JKD politics is cool in the sense that he is only worried about his own art but then not so cool because his silence leaves many half assed unreputable people claiming to train JKD. Then again he is standing by letting his wife be the bullhorn on JKD outing people and putting people's training down. So it's a bit odd.

I still highly respect the man and feel that if you learned JKD from one of his direct students then you may get some good JKD instruction because too many people are handing instructors certificates at seminars. It's a shame.

[roz]

come on guys, Inosanto should recieve more credit than that. he has done thousands of good deeds, just because of maybe one mishap does not justify disrespect. how many obligations have you broken? Inosanto exposed the filipino martial arts, would you not say? i doubt anyone can compare themselves to Mr. Dan Inosanto and what he has accomplished. after all the bickering on his web forum, he took it down, due to injustice that jkd was recieving. he is as humble and generous as one could be

[sikal]

come on guys, Inosanto should recieve more credit than that. he has done thousands of good deeds, just because of maybe one mishap does not justify disrespect. how many obligations have you broken? Inosanto exposed the filipino martial arts, would you not say? i doubt anyone can compare themselves to Mr. Dan Inosanto and what he has accomplished. after all the bickering on his web forum, he took it down, due to injustice that jkd was recieving. he is as humble and generous as one could be

Well, Guro Dan wasn't the only one who exposed the American MA culture to the FMA (or, arguably, even the first), but he was certainly one of the early ones promoting it on a wide scale and is probably the most widely known.

Anyone who is as widely known as Guro Dan will, inevitably, draw detractors as well as supporters. Personally, I go by what I've seen firsthand. Since my exposure to him has been limited mostly to seminars, I realise that my impression of him is pretty shallow. But I've never seen anything from him that I thought was anything but humble or generous.

Mike