bone/joint breaking

[the1]

does anybody strictly learn bone breaking or joint disfunction.Its better than punching and kicking if you ask me...

[kengar]

Better? I think it is an integral part of SD, but you can not discard striking. And for appling a lot of joint locks and throws they are much easier when you have stunned the other person. I'm not saying you can't pull it off, it will just most likely be more hard against a fully alert pissed off person.

Break their nose first then break their arm.'


Ken

[Szczepankiewicz]

This again eh?

The1, have you ever broken another person's bone or joint?

Hmmm?

[one sword]

Atemi-waza.......you have to close distance to apply locks and throws, you may as well hit him a few times as you enter.

[Drew Howe]

This again eh?

The1, have you ever broken another person's bone or joint?

Hmmm?

In fairness to NEO , I know CPR but I've never had to give it.

[Power]

In fairness to NEO , I know CPR but I've never had to give it.

Yea, but do you take CPR 2-3 times per week for years only to find out that it's now what actually works when the pressure is on?

[Szczepankiewicz]

My man Power's got it spot on.

To say you 'train to break bones' without doing it is like training to climb Mt. Everest on the 20 foot rock wall at the gym.

CPR is used all the time, if not by you, then certainly by many other people. I was trained in it once upon a time and need a refresher course. The physical aspect of doing CPR is basic and most people have the desire and willingness to use these skills under pressure.

Not so with breaking some guys elbow. The psychological cost and consequences are much more involved.

How many bones have you broken with your deadly training?

This takes me back to the whole Dim Mak debate. Sure pressure points can knock you out and cause you pain, but it is unrealistic to rely on them alone for your self-preservation purposes.

So unless someone has a book, article, or other basis for discussing these topics I strongly encourage everyone to avoid the topic.

Spanky

[Drew Howe]

Yea, but do you take CPR 2-3 times per week for years only to find out that it's now what actually works when the pressure is on?

Fair enough. Personally, I have about 15 techniques that I drill on a regular basis against resisting partners. Those are the ones I feel most comfortable with in a real situation. One is a collar bone break... I know it works but I have never done it myself, but I also would not count on it working, just as I don't "count on" anything working on it's own. Another (life and death) technique that I know would break the neck is a foot stop while the guy is down. However, for it to be effective the down man can't move. Can I count on that? I just depends. What ever I teach and practice myself must pass a test. Below is a quote that I base that test on.

"Will this work so that I can use it instinctively in vital combat against an opponent who is determined to prevent me from doing so, and who is striving to eliminate me by fair means or foul". ~ Rex Applegate