Can someone enlighten me?

[Robocop]

Just explain the basic concept and style of jeet kun do. Basically what sort of movements are involved? Like direct strikes? or more elaborate like certain style of kung fu? Sorry if this sounds really newbyish, but thanks in advance, im really interested with cross training with MT but im looking for a style that suits me and my body

[seany85]

Jun Fan/Jeet Kune Do practioner is a person who still uses the original training methods that bruce lee used, also still use wing chun as the main core of JKD.

Jeet Kune Do concepts are people like Dan Isanto(sp?), they use the concepts and principles stated by Bruce Lee, these include things like non-telegraphic movement, non-intentional movement, always consider follow-ups(assume no attack is final), and flow.

I think that JKD concepts have use cross training to a greater degree, however I'm not to sure about that.


I hope this has helped.

[junfan]

jun fan jkd

Just explain the basic concept and style of jeet kun do. Basically what sort of movements are involved? Like direct strikes? or more elaborate like certain style of kung fu? Sorry if this sounds really newbyish, but thanks in advance, im really interested with cross training with MT but im looking for a style that suits me and my body

well jeet kune do is a philosophy, it has no technique, the technique of jeet kune do is referred by lees students as jun fan gung fu, however there are some that have added onto those techniques, hints vunacks progessive fighting systems and jkd unlimited on burts part

[tekshow]

jun fan has it down,


but i think there is some technique that is JKD - if you're a muay thai fighter or part of a "progressive" fighting system then you might not be doing jkd. No disprespect to vunacks system, i've met some of his practioners and they are skilled at what i would expect JKD to be.


but i think the wing chun, boxing, and tai chi principles can never be removed. in real jkd you see a lot of trapping, using the waist like a wheel, boxing stances, wing chun hand placement, tai chi body mechanics/relaxation, etc...


just my .02

[Drew Howe]

well jeet kune do is a philosophy, it has no technique, the technique of jeet kune do is referred by lees students as jun fan gung fu, however there are some that have added onto those techniques, hints vunacks progessive fighting systems and jkd unlimited on burts part

Except this is a bunch of hooey. JKD was an actual system complete with techniques (what peps call Jun Fan now) and concepts. JKD became ONLY a concept under the Inosanto program after Bruce Lee's death. Prior to his death, Bruce was not happy with the direction that JKD was headed in. His best friend, James Lee, had just died. James was the Senior to Inosanto and Taky Kimura. Bruce wanted to focus on his acting career and did not feel he could continue to keep an eye on JKD. So, he had Inosanto shut down the Chinatown school and told him to stop teaching JKD. EDIT: This actually happened in 1969 a few years prior to James Lee's death. Basically Bruce just didn't like the way things were going in Chinatown.

After Bruce's death, Dan Inosanto started teaching "JKD concepts." And as they say, "the wrest is history." Unfortunately, there has been a lot of rewrites on history. I've researched this at nausea. I've talked to many of the old school students from the period, all with varying degrees in memory, but nonetheless the story is pretty much the same. JKD is and was a system and not just a concept.

More than just my 2 cents.

[Drew Howe]

jun fan has it down,

wing chun hand placement,

Uh...NO. But thanks for playing.

[seany85]

oh right, thanks for putting me right Drew Howe.
ya learn something new everyday

[Drew Howe]

oh right, thanks for putting me right Drew Howe.
ya learn something new everyday

I don't disagree with what you posted. I was responding to what Jun Fan said in his post, that JKD was a concept and not a system. Of course that is not the case. But I don't blame people for thinking that. The majority of all published information on JKD only reinforces that falsehood.

[Ern-Dog]

JKD is and was a system and not just a concept.

Could quite possibly be the dumbest statement I've seen posted here.

[Ern-Dog]

Wait, I just saw on another thread that you're a student under Gary Dill. That explains everything.

[Drew Howe]

Could quite possibly be the dumbest statement I've seen posted here.

Then I guess that makes James Lee and most of his original Oakland JKD students equally dumb since that is the basis for my statement.

[Drew Howe]

Wait, I just saw on another thread that you're a student under Gary Dill. That explains everything.

I was an instructor under Gary about uhm 10 years ago. I've had no contact or affiliation with him in the last 10 years. I've got more experience in JKD than just that.

Ignorance is Bliss..ain't it Ern?

[Ern-Dog]

Written by Mike Krivka
NOTE: The response from last months publication of Paula Inosanto's letter was better than I could have expected. In this months newsletter I will share with you the information I gathered concerning Gary Dill, with Lamar Davis and Dr. Jerry Beasley being covered in coming issues ...

Professor Gary Dill
Mr. Dill was the first person to contact me concerning Paula's letter. After a lengthy phone conversation Mr. Dill invited me to attend a seminar he was giving in Northern Virginia the following weekend.
At the seminar Mr. Dill produced a packet of documents that he considered to be indisputable proof that he was a "real JKD man". This packet included a personal letter from James Lee, several certificates from various martial arts organizations (recognizing him as a Grandmaster in Bushido Kempo/SDS-JKD) and letters from the now disbanded JKD Society.

Sifu James' Lee's letter (which is the cornerstone of Mr. Dill's "credentials") does in fact authorize Mr. Dill to train in what he was exposed to during his short time under his (James Lee's) direction; but it also explicitly states, not once, not twice, but three times, that he is to not, under any circumstances, teach or claim to teach JKD. This was stated in such a way as to not be confused or misinterpreted by Mr. Dill or anyone else who read the letter. Obviously it was...

Mr. Dill is using an abbreviated version of the letter, which includes only Sifu Lee's reference to training with a small group of friends, and not the admonitions against teaching JKD. Mr. Dill's version of the letter could lead one to believe that he was given permission to teach; but in no uncertain terms Sifu James Lee it was okay as long as he was "just working out with a select few to keep your skills in JKD and Wing Chun - for your own benefit - not to try to pass yourself off as an instructor in our style of no style".

It appears that Mr. Dill is exactly what he warns people about in his own literature - that he is one of the many "rip-off artists out there claiming to be teaching JKD but wouldn't know JKD if it was in front of them. Many of them have no authentic lineage, no real training ... Let the buyer beware"!

Thanks for the warning ...





If you had any training worth mentioning you wouldn't have made that ignorant statement that I quoted before. Don't try to get under my skin, it won't happen.

[Drew Howe]

If you had any training worth mentioning you wouldn't have made that ignorant statement that I quoted before. Don't try to get under my skin, it won't happen.

Ern that is old information. Real old! I'm not trying to defend Gary Dill...I don't have a horse in that race. However, Taky Kimura (you know who he is right) a few years ago came out and basically recognized Dill. You'll find recent pictures of Gary and Taky together on Gary's website. Apparently either Taky associates with "rip-off artists" (which I don't think is the case) or he doesn't share your opinion.

[Drew Howe]

Written by Mike Krivka

By the way, you mean Mike "the real ninja tai boxer" Krivka, also an instructor under the Inosantos'. Hardly an independent source. This stupid childish feud has been going on for over 20 years now. That's before Paula was ever an Inosanto or had even heard of Gary Dill. It's getting old on both sides.

The facts are 30 something years ago, Bruce Lee told Dan Inosanto to stop teaching JKD and James Lee told Gary Dill that he couldn't call himself a JKD Instructor. Had both men done as requested neither one of us would be talking about JKD on this message board right now. Sometimes I think maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing.