JKD? Form must follow function.

[eXcessiveForce]

If I may presume to offer my opinion, I think that what Matt and Burton are saying is that the name JKD is meaningless, it is the application that is important. It does not matter what it is you practice if you are not training it in the alive manner with resisting oponents under stress you simply do not know if your system is effective or not. Their background is JKD as well as other things so their system reflects some of the ideas incorporated in JKD. Whether you believe JKD is a set system or a philosophy is not important. If I were to be able to take TKD and develop it in such a way that out system consistently defeated the people at SBG then they would attempt to learn why they were being beat. If this new system proved superior they would change what they are doing to that which is superior. This could be the same with any other style or system. The are measuring the system on performance. The simple truth in life is that if you have not done it you cannot say with certainty that it works. So people who have learned JKD, Karate, TKD, BJJ and have not tested it under alive circumstances cannot possibly know for certain that what they know will be viable under stress.


Bruce wanted to create a system that was based on effectiveness. What he found effective he labled JKD. As bruce found things that were better that became JKD. To further this concept is to change what JKD is. As more effective means of training are discovered they are added to JKD. If things are found to no longer work they are discarded. Much like when everyone knows the defense to a technique the technique starts to suffer in practice. It is no longer trained because it no longer works.

My question is that are techniques that work on average untrained individuals being thrown out simply because they fail against people who are trained in them.

[moma_news]

eXcessiveForce,

I understand about guaging the effectiveness of the arts. I see this as more to do with common sense than anything else. No art has an exclusive on effectiveness. Not JKD, MMA, TKD, etc.

My question to Burton has to do with his analogy to the basketball team. The implication is that all JKD "teams" have not been playing "real JKD" until he and Matt came along. I don't think Burton meant it this way, but it sure came across to me that way. I've read many of Burton's articles and posts and he almost always comes across respectful and yet states his opinion. I can't believe he would take such an egotistical position, so that's the reason I wanted to clear it up.

Matt stated on another forum:

If a delivery system or set of techniques cannot be shown to be functional under the pressure of aggressive resisting fighters, and yet one stays attached to it because it was "bruce lee's" or "traditional" etc, then you are simply attached to a method for reasons other then function. . .and that is a TRAP.

This is very true and many are caught in this "trap". Of course there are some who simply want to preserve what Bruce Lee taught.


eXcessiveForce, you stated:

I think that what Matt and Burton are saying is that the name JKD is meaningless, it is the application that is important.

If this is true, then why use the name JKD at all?


Matt stated in regards to Bruce Lee:

Whether or not it's actually what he did is not relevant...

I'm having a little trouble with this statement. Matt is the first to invite people to come and prove the effectiveness of physical techniques. But he says it's not important if Bruce Lee actually applied his own philosophy?

Matt, could you explain this a little more?

[LittleDemon]

Hi everyone

hi everyone, well im back from spain now but i go back 9th-15th march yeay had a great christmas and new year with my family best ending of a year ive ever had so far.

Look forward to the new year , i managed to get a new web site up and running so if your interested check it out at:

http://groups.msn.com/EmmaSelfDefense/homepage

All the best

Keep the faith


Love Emma,

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[eXcessiveForce]

I believe Burton's game was a reference to fighting not JKD. The idea being people are Playing JKD (fake fighting) not fighting.

As for using the name JKD. If the base is JKD then isn't it still JKD. BJJ is still JJ. And if you consider JKD the process then adaption towards functionality is JKD.

[Burton]

Moma News,
I listed Matt and myself because Matt had started the thread and I had been mentioned. Specifically, what I mean to say is that ANYONE who trains with real resistance (as opposed to contrived resistance as found in many drills from various styles) will enhance their fighting skills and truly know what works and doesn't work for them. The particular style does not matter as you can take any system and train it devoid of resistance, thus creating someone who is more of a caddy than a professional golfer. He carries the tools around and knows what they are for, but can't really use them himself. Aloha!

[roz]

Moma News,
I listed Matt and myself because Matt had started the thread and I had been mentioned. Specifically, what I mean to say is that ANYONE who trains with real resistance (as opposed to contrived resistance as found in many drills from various styles) will enhance their fighting skills and truly know what works and doesn't work for them. The particular style does not matter as you can take any system and train it devoid of resistance, thus creating someone who is more of a caddy than a professional golfer. He carries the tools around and knows what they are for, but can't really use them himself. Aloha!

burton
greetings,
what are dead drills? would mook jong applications, be considered as dead drills to you or those who are ( been ) making load comments with this method of training? or is numerada,sumbrada,serrada,etc. the supposed dead drills? is it certain instructors or camps or individuals that are well known?

[smartmonkey]

Roz, that's not for Burton to answer. If your curious as to what drills work then go learn an alternative method yourself, and do a comparison. Then, base your belief on an actual comparison made, and viewed, by your own self.

If your sure what you do already works exactly as well as you want it to, then why ask the question?

If your not sure, and sincerely want to make a comparison, then why not re-phrase the question in such a way as to find out how Burton trains. Otherwise it's obviously leading and contrived.

Leave the talking about "organizations", or specific personas to the dorky martial arts gossip queens, where it belongs. One is always better served when sticking to questions and research about training methods.

Enjoy the day
-Matt Thornton

https://www.straightblastgym.com

[smartmonkey]

Hello eXcessiveFORCEm you asked:

"My question is that are techniques that work on average untrained individuals being thrown out simply because they fail against people who are trained in them."


No they are not. However, we have found that techniques that work well on trained fighters also work even better on people who are not trained fighters.

Plus, they have the added advatage of not requiring a dangerous assumption on the users part, when they may indeed be in defense of their own life.

-Matt Thornton

https://www.straightblastgym.com

[moma_news]

Thanks Burton. I appreciate the clarification.

[Burton]

It's just like training Moma News. If I don't get good feedback I can't get better.
Roz, the key is resistance, someone fighting your technique so that you learn how to apply against someone who is fighting back. I agree with Matt that the best thing to do is to try the different training methods yourself then see what gives the best results. Also, training with resistance is really fun!

Hey Matt, When are you coming over here to Hawaii again? I was bodyboarding Waimanalo yesterday in 80 degree weather. Three miles of beach with only about 20 people. Aloha!

[smartmonkey]

Ouch, Burton you tell me that while I look outside the window at freezing rain.

I'd love to come back to Hawaii anytime. It's been awhile.

Aloha!
-Matt

[smartmonkey]

Spring training Camp!

8th Annual SBGi Spring Training Camp!
Dates: Friday March 26th - Monday March 28th

Times: Friday: 6-8pm Evening BJJ session

Location: Portland Oregon

Facility to be announced shortly.

Saturday: 10am - 3pm Training / 5pm - 8pm Gorilla Cup submission tournament

Sunday: 10am - 5pm Training
Awards party and banquet dinner

Monday: 1pm-4pm ISR Instructors conference & training session 6pm -9pm SMAC program, SBGi stickfighting program

Instructors: Chris Haueter (BJJ Blackbelt/SBGi Coach), John Frankl (BJJ Blackbelt/SBGi Coach), Tom Oberhue (SBGi RD), Mike Chapman (SBGi Coach), Luis Gutierrez (SBGi RD), Adam & Rory Singer (SBGi RD's), Paul Sharp (SBGi RD), Karl Tanswell (SBGi RD-creator of the STAB program), John Kavanagh (SBGi RD), Matt Thornton (BJJ Blackbelt/ SBGi Founder)

Camp Theme: BJJ for gi, no-gi, and MA. . .aka:

"Jits with hits"
Session plan:

Friday: will be an informal BJJ class featuring Chris Haueter, John Frankl, and Matt Thornton. Participants will be taken through some advanced info with gi, and no-gi, and then a friendly rolling session will take place.

Saturday: will start with a CLINCH session featuring the UK's Karl Tanswell. . .where he will cover some great info on the 2 on 1, and updates on the STAB program (self defense training against blades). We will then move on to the 12 point offensive guard game, followed with details on submissions, top game, and escapes.

Saturday evening will feature the SBGi Gorilla Cup Submission tournament. The competition will be open to all SBGi members, and look for some exciting matches featuring Rory Singer, John Kavanagh, Jonathan Wright, Carlos Paladini, Rick Davison, and Tom "killer" Oberhue! Matches will be divided by skill level, and weight. Everyone is encouraged to participate! And attendance to compete or observe is FREE for camp ALL camp members!

Sunday: will feature the 5 step passing game, this is guaranteed to have a direct impact on your guard passing. Followed by some specific passes as taught by the various SBGi Coaches. We will also cover 1/2 guard, as well as various skills and drills for BJJ in an environment where there are strikes.

We will also have a dinner, awards banquet on Sunday evening.

Monday will feature: ISR Instructor's Conference This 3 hour ISR clinic is open to SBGI & ISR First Tier Instructors only. The latest developments in the organizations growth as well as updates on the new material and training methods we have integrated into the system will be presented. Any SBGi instructors or gym owners planning on getting certified and being a part of our training team should attend. The ISR is rapidly growing and the information presented, discussed and exchanged at this conference will set the pace and create the guidelines to assure its stability and success in the years to come. For further information, please visit www.isrmatrix.org If you are a Law Enforcement Officer and wish to attend, e-mail Luis directly at Luis@isrmatrix.org .

Followed by a three hours workshop on the SBGi SMAC program. (Stickfighting-Methods-And-Counters)

This three hour course will feature the entire SBGi impact weapons curriculum. All of which is designed to be functional in the full contact environment, or in a self defense situation. This program will change the ay you view dealing, using, and defending against impact weapons.

Camp prices:

All four days: SBGi Members 155. Non Members 195.

Sat & Sun: SBGi Members 125. Non Members 175.

Monday only: (contact Luis at luis@onedragon.com for prices)

Register NOW by calling Mike Toll Free at 1-888-888-2850 Discount hotel rates available. Contact Mike for info and reservations.

[LittleDemon]

New

New updates yeay hey peeps new updates to my site :

http://groups.msn.com/EmmaSelfDefense/homepage

Plus i will be adding more info on the message boards soon so keep your eye's peeled.

Oh and the shadow skill info i posted might confuse you if you look for info on the net because they made an anime film based on the actualy shadow skill history there is very very tiny information posted about the actual shadow skill but thanks to my friend Miguel in spain "seville" he has given me the low down on what he knows.

well catch ye laters bye bye

Love em, aka Little Demon

[LittleDemon]

all about me

SIMPLE QUESTIONS
1.Full name: Emma Joan Louise Pringle
2. Nicknames: Em, Emmy, Bunny,
3. Eyes: Blue
4. Height: 5'4
5. Hair: Champagne blonde (Natural)
6.Siblings: " older sister julia and laura we are all adopted.
7. Do u like to sing in the shower? Love it makes me feel good.
8. Do u like to sing in the toilet? no and i didn't know people did?
9. Birthday: 8 dec 1985
10. Sign: Sagittarius
11. Address: piss off! Wierdo
12. Sex: female
13. Righty or lefty: both
14. What do you want in a relationship? Love, trust, passionate love making session, for the guy im with to drown in my essence.
15. Have you ever cheated? NEVER
16. Martial status: single sexy and free
17. Do you have a car? nope
18. What kinda car do you have/want?: I Would LOVE a jeep rugged and big or a Toyota 4+4
FAVORITE QUESTIONS:
19. Movie: Enter the dragon, replacement killers.

20. Song: Britney spears "breath on me"

21. Band/ singer: "Tears for fears" (1980's)
22. TV Show: Charmed
23. Actor: cole from charmed
24. Actress: Julia roberts

25. Food: Peking duck in pancakes yummy
26. Number: 18
27. Cartoon: Anime and Manga too many i like to list here.
28. Disney Character: Simba from lion king
29. Colour: Dark Crimson Red
LOVE LIFE ETC:
30. Do you plan on having children: Definately
31. Do you want to get married: Absolutely
32. How old do you wanna be when you have your first child: mid 20's early 30's
33. How old do you wanna be when your married: early 20's
34. Would you have kids before marriage: NO WAY unless un planned pregnancy
36. Do you have a b/f or g/f (who): Not at the present time.
37. Do you have a crush: Of Course he's Gorgeous and i think he knows i like him ^_~
EITHER-OR (PICK WHICH ONE YOU PREFER)
38. Music/TV: MUSIC
39.Guys/Girls: GUYS 100%
40. Green/Blue: BLUE
41. Pink/Purple: PURPLE
42. Summer/Winter: SUMMER
43. Night/Day: NIGHT
44. Hangin Out/Chillin: Hanging out
45. Dopey/Funny: FUNNY
46. Weird saying i have: Im gonna eat ya all up and make ya crispy.
47. What skool do u go to? went to collyers college now training in martial arts.
48. have you ever taken drugs? NO WAY call me sad but i like my life and my health.
49. What's a major turn on for you? A guy who can treat me right.
50. How far would you go on a first date? kiss goodnight no not passionate snogging a kiss on the lips so he'll want me more.
51. The person you know who is:
mOsT bLoNdE: Myself
BeSt person: Michaela my best mate
FuNnIeSt: Laura my older sis
NiCeSt: charlotte stacey
StRaNgEsT: big joe
MoSt CaRiNg: my parents
TaLLeSt: katherine guest
SmArTeSt: sophie holmes
BeSt pErSoNaLiTy: Me of course
BeSt aLL aRoUnD pErSoN: everyone in my family

52. Which 5 people do you trust and are open with the most? my family members thats 2 sisters and mum and dad and my friends jordan.
53. What do you think of soul mates? they exist they are great.
54. Is it right to flirt if you have a bf/gf? look but dont touch.
55. What was the last thing you cried over or got teary about? cant remember its been that long since i cried.
56. What's something about guys/girls you don't get?: how guys can sleep with so many girls and be unfaithful even when there with a girl. Its not like girls get guys respect for sleeping with them for sex.
57. Are you happy? Exstatic
58. Why? because i know the value of my life.
59. What's an object you can't live without?: my life doh!
60. Love or lust: love with lustuous passionate love making sessions.
61. Silver or gold: Silver
62. Diamond or pearl:diamond
63. Sunset or sunrise: both
64. Have you ever gone skinny-dipping: 3 times
65. Do you sleep with stuffed animals: when i feel insecure or nervous about something.

66. Do you have any piercing: 2 piercings in each ear lobe thats 4
67. What colour underpants are you wearing right now?: black lycra cotten one's.
68. What song are u listening to right now? britney spears "toxic"
69. What are the last four digits of your phone number? none of your beeswax wierdo's
70. Where would you want to go on your honeymoon? anywhere my and my husband chose its a joint decision but id love to go somewhere like india or somewhere compeltely different to me and my husband
71. Who do u want to spend the rest of your life with? my crush ^_~
72. What's the first thing you notice about the opposite sex: his eye's they tell me a lot if he's confident he will look into mine for aaaaaaaaaages.
73. Favourite sport? Martial arts
74. What makes you happy? Exercise at the gym, martial arts training, going out with friends.
75. What's the next c.d/s you're gonna buy? dunno dont care.
76. Do u wear contacts or glasses? nope perfect vision
77. What's the best advice given to you? Be true to yourself
78. Have u ever won any special awards? Winning 1st place in both dressage competitions at 13 yrs old against 170 other riders, getting my certificates in martial arts they are personal achievment, and a trophy for 2nd place in school for a business studies competition.
79. What are your future goals? become a martial arts instructor, and open a class of my own for women.
80. Worst sickness u ever had? when i was born 3 mnths premature with blood alcohol poisoning and when i was 8 yrs old got shingles.
81. Funny or Scary movies better? funny
82. On the phone or in person? in person, shows i have no fear.
83. Hugs or kisses? hugs, because they make me feel secure, kisses because they make me feel loved.
84. What song seems to reflect you the most? the corrs "closer"
85. If you died tomorrow who would you leave everything you own to? definately my friends michaela
86. Do u have any enemies? nope nada zip
87. What is your greatest fear? SPIDERS
88. Would you rather be rich or famous? rish my life is my own but money isnt everything.
89. What time is it in Albania now? **** knows
90. Have you ever been in love? not truly deeply madly but yeah puppy love during my school years.
91. Have you met santa? nope
92. If E.T. knocked on your door holding up a peace sign asking to use your
phone what would you do? give him a big hug and say "can i have your auto graph"
93. Last time you talked to the person that you like: last night
94. Do u have any pets? 1 dog 2 cats 1 horse 1 rabbit 3 fish
95. Whats your email address? go away
96. Last time you were depressed: last year
97. Are you an alcoholic? cant drink allergic to alcohol
98. Who sent this to you? **** knows
99. What do you think of this person: there wierd?
100. Do u want your friends to write back?? sure i love you guys *hugs*

[doubleouch]

Demon,
Why the personals ad?