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    Is JKD Functional

    Is JKD classes functional without sparring. I know someone who teaches jkd but only does sparring once a week for about an hour, actually they do light boxing rahter than spar, no kicks. Can i learn to defend myself with just pad drills and routines with little or no contact. Please reply. Sign the little guy in the ad who gets the sand kicked in his face
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    I dont think THOSE JKD classes are too functional..

    sorry but pads and no-contact drills dont cut it..
    Yeah sure your technique and overall coordination will be good but once someone hits you HARD...its a whole new world out there...
    Light boxing is good for your basic reflexes,movements etc...but why doesn't he use kicks in sparring!?!
    You can wear shin pads! Go about 50-70% hell even 100% power with thick ass gloves on,shin pads maybe a helmet or whatever...

    In my first Muai Thai School we did the same kinda thing..lots and lots of drills with the pads and some VERY light contact drills...

    Then it was time to spar..punches(100%power) and kicks(50% power) ..got my ass kicked the first few times...the drills didn't help one bit...I only got better the more I sparred and I believe thats the only way you will learn how to properly defend yourself ...

    How can you learn how to defend yourself by just hitting pads!?
    You dont get attacked by PADS in the street...


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    • #3
      I'd say that if there's NO sparring, it's not good JKD. But you have to work techniques and drills before you get into sparring. That being said, you MUST incorporate those skills learned from drilling into sparring an uncooperative opponent or you're ultimately wasting your time, in my opinion.

      How long have you been attending this school? I ask because you shouldn't rush to judgement about what they do in a given short period of time. My JKD instructor usually focuses on one aspect over a period of about a month or so, then moves on to another area after that. If you only attended during the time he was emphasizing say, boxing drills, you'd think that's all we do; the point is, it's not all we do.

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      • #4
        Yes, You can only learn how to use what you did in those drills by sparring..

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        • #5
          Theory then techniques then drills then sparring. Right guys?


          You've got to spar. You shouldn't have to be hurting each other too badly, but once you've got a non-cooperative opponent, EVERYTHING changes and you'll see what works and what doesn't.

          If you're new, sometimes it's good to wait and watch for a bit.

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          #6
          Little guys (i'm a little guy) frequently do best as technicians (from my limited observation). I can relate with your position as the guy with sand in his face. I'm 5'9 and 140 (or lighter..depending). I think drills really help the small guy..we gotta build our attributes like crazy to make up for the weight difference we'll have with our average opponent. It's not about size, it's about winning and living..So you also need hard contact sparring, with fewer rules and more pain. Everyone has to learn to take a punch..but remember to use the pattycake sparring too..so you can formulate new techniques to use in your hard sparring later..

          I say find a good judo/jujutsu school. I do jkd concepts as well. But I think the best thing you could do is go to ALL of the judo schools in your area, and see EACH one go through the ENTIRE classtime..start to finish. The school that has the most skilled men (while fighting, AND while drilling) is the one to go to. I really believe wrestling is the art where the small can learn to conquer the large. I'm all for boxing....but I think a foundation in throwing and submitting men is the place to start for the small guy. Then, when you can do that, restart your boxing..mainly, learn to jab hard.

          Teachers often spend loads of time drilling with very little fighting for class reasons...it's hard to maintain enough students to pay for the roof over your head if you're constantly losing them because your training bruises their pretty skin..at most judo schools, they randori (spar) after every single class. If you findn a school that doesn't, I'd say avoid it. In looking for a judo school, you want to go to a place where they throw hard as hell. You want a place where you see 140 pound men holding their own with skilled wrestlers that are 190 pounds. You need to see them using speed and skill to finesse powerful throws in hard fighting situations. When YOU wrestle one of their players, you should feel like you're trying to throw a 10X10 brickwall by it's lapels..it should be nearly impossible for you to wrestle any of their players..yet, when they go for a throw, you should find yourself almost throwing yourself for the guy-he is so able to maneuver you..that is the correct feeling. Find that place, and you found a great start. Alot of times you will find this at judo schools that consider themselves "highly competitive"..look or ask them if they are competition minded. This means they partake in lots of sport judo competitions (NOT just on a local level, but nationally as well)...which ISN'T fighting..but it will develop a great sense of balance and technique in you..you will always be fighting against opponents that fight back hard, with a high level of intensity.

          AGain, these are only my opinions. I know what it's like to be smaller than most men's girlfriends, so I can relate with your problem. JKD schools in my area are a great place to recieve your roadmap, but a bad starting point for the journey. I would rather be a fighter who knows one throw and one punch expertly, than a fighter that knows 5 punches, 5 kicks, his elbows, 10 locks, and 10 throws poorly...this is a common difference between a fighter and a martial artist. Hope some of this helps.

          -Dwayne

          [Edited by quietanswer on 11-29-2000 at 10:41 AM]

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          • #7
            I pretty much agree with dwaynes evaluation of schools. However I think the smaller someone is, the more versatile he needs to be in all ranges. We are currently working with someone who is just about 100 pounds. Isolated, everyone can out box him, out kick him, out wrestle him, out clinch him, but I think that if he were able to start in certain game, and move into something else and back out, and back in, so forth, so forth, he can do very well. For example, he may not be able to punch hard, but he can play passive on the outside, he should be able to move in, let the guy start to grab him, maybe move back out with some tools, and of course move back in, etc., etc. I'd like tosee all our fighters reaching this level, where they are comfortable and really good in all the ranges and wind up controlling the game, but I personally think that it would be more important for the smaler guy to work this from the beginning. For me, I have the size and strength to isolate any one range if I choose to or need to, yet this guy doesn't have that option.

            But back tro the question:

            "Is a JKD class functional without sparring?"

            My opinion: No class is FUNCTIONAL. It is the person that makes it so. You can train any class, but if you want to KNOW that something works, you have to do it or see it. If you want to KNOW if something works for you against someone that is trying to take your head off, you have to work it against someone that is trying to take your head off. Whether the class takes time out to do it or not, you should train these things on your free time. Your training will excel so much faster once you start to understand the principles of fighting. Distance and timing in a fight are things that you can only learn while sparring. Of course a teacher that spars or has fought regularly, whether in competition or class, will be able to help you with that aspect a little more than one that has never fought or competed. All in all, you have to work with what you have, lke I said, I think Dwayne made some good points about assessing the schools you visit, but ultimately, it is up to the individual to progress. If the teacher teaches you, then you are limited to what he teaches, but if the teacher points out some options, and you test them yourself, you have then taught yourself.

            [Edited by Chad W. Getz on 11-29-2000 at 02:22 PM]

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