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Does size make a difference about how people feel here? I mean do big guys think it doesn't matter and do small guys think it does? Or vice versa?
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Hm. I'm a little guy, and I say size isn't the ruler of the end of the fight. I'm not saying it 'doesn't matter'.. I'm saying it's physics. Physics is not ruled by size.
I only say it because I've seen many examples proving it to me.
I once thought size was the end all be all of winning fights..because that's the only examples I saw. Big guy picks on little guy, little guy mouths off, little guy gets beat up or humiliated.
So I'm not sure my size has much to do with my answer..unless it was to make me more observant in that area..Comment
Originally posted by Chad W. Getz
Does size make a difference about how people feel here? I mean do big guys think it doesn't matter and do small guys think it does? Or vice versa?
Does size make a difference about how people feel here? I mean do big guys think it doesn't matter and do small guys think it does? Or vice versa?
I never thought size mattered. But maybe that's how I was raised. I was raised with certain facts taken for granted (wisdom from my dad):
A) There's always someone better ... today it might be you
B) If a man puts his pants on one leg at a time, he's no better than you
C) In a fight, there's no such thing as a "winner"; there's just a lower hospital bill
D) The other guy can bleed and die as easily as you
E) Everyone has a line; if pushed to that line, your only options are to fight or run
F) Never start a fight ... but if you're force to fight, do your level best to finish it
G) If you start a fight, you'll get punished at school and at home; if you don't start it, then you may still get punished at school but you won't at home
Also, my dad is a big man. Consequently, I would look at other people and compare them to my dad ... very few people seemed "big" to me.
With all of this going for me, I always tried to avoid fights if I could ... but not out of fear of the other person. I didn't want to get punished by dad (or, more importantly, break one of the above "rules" and disappoint him). Consequently, when I was forced to fight, I fought all out without fear. The size of my opponent never even entered the equation.
Because of this, I never "lost" a fight (this goes back to the above "facts of life"). In my mindset, the only way to "lose" a fight was to not get in my licks. I took some beatings ... but I always left my own marks and never had to fight the same guy twice. He would either respect my guts (especially if he was a lot bigger than me and I didn't back down). Or he would decide that whatever beating he gave me wasn't worth the lumps he took in return.
I think, though, most of this was due to mindset. I still have the same mindset (i.e.: avoid any fight I can ... but if forced, fight for all I'm worth) ... but now I have more training, experience, and size to back up that mindset.
Wow ... I'm in a type-happy mood today, this is the 2nd really long post I've put out on discussion boards. Hope I didn't bore anyone.
Regards, Mike
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my dad taught me those things. he finished up one of them different though... it went
Don't start a fight...but if you're forced to fight, be sure to finish it.
-and remember that his(your opponent's) method of finishing a fight might be far crueler than yours.
I like that addition, too.
so, uh, mike..my dad's cooler.
(shrug)
sorry.
Don't start a fight...but if you're forced to fight, be sure to finish it.
-and remember that his(your opponent's) method of finishing a fight might be far crueler than yours.
I like that addition, too.
so, uh, mike..my dad's cooler.
(shrug)
sorry.
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Originally posted by quietanswer
my dad taught me those things. he finished up one of them different though... it went
Don't start a fight...but if you're forced to fight, be sure to finish it.
-and remember that his(your opponent's) method of finishing a fight might be far crueler than yours.
I like that addition, too.
so, uh, mike..my dad's cooler.
(shrug)
sorry.
my dad taught me those things. he finished up one of them different though... it went
Don't start a fight...but if you're forced to fight, be sure to finish it.
-and remember that his(your opponent's) method of finishing a fight might be far crueler than yours.
I like that addition, too.
so, uh, mike..my dad's cooler.
(shrug)
sorry.
Neither could mine ... so I guess they had a lot in common after all, huh?
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Originally posted by sikal
B) If a man puts his pants on one leg at a time, he's no better than you
Regards, Mike [/B]
B) If a man puts his pants on one leg at a time, he's no better than you
Regards, Mike [/B]
Great post though. I stand at 6'0" about 215-220 lbs. I argue with someone at 100 lbs., about 5' and a wrist I can wrap my pointer finger and thumb around, that size doesn't matter. I show him a move and he tells me that I have a weight advantage. I isolate the principles of the technique and show three different ways how pushing here and pulling there on anyone will take someone down. I show him by doing it to everyone at practice as a "technique" and out of a live resisting clinch. I then let him do it to me and everyone else as a "technique" and out of a 50% resisting clinch. His eyes seem open and he has belief in a "technique" but not in the principles. He still believes that size matters, though. Is it because of his size? He will not accept the fact that size matters on how you train but not if you win or lose the fight. That is where the whole thread idea originated from my side in case any one was wondering. I consider someone to be big if he is bigger than me and someone small if he is smaller than myself. I understand that ths perception changes for everyone, as well. I am, however, hellbent on making him a fighter.
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to help this process along, you ought to show him examples of men at his weight who can and are fighting..say, 103 weight limit high school wrestlers. I've known some bad, bad guys at that weight limit. guys who could bench over two hundred..which is enough, in my book..especially at 100 pounds.. 
but seriously. get some footage of well trained men in his weight class. once you see it done, it's easy to believe. this is from a little guy's perspective.
-dwayne
but seriously. get some footage of well trained men in his weight class. once you see it done, it's easy to believe. this is from a little guy's perspective.
-dwayne
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All my sparring partners have significant weight differnce of at least 40 pounds on me, and it always ends up in a 50/50 chance of one of us tapping first(because we are all at about equal skill level). I have never had a problem rolling with these guys, although I admit it is a bit harder than rolling with guys my weight, because of less excersion(sp?). I hit the weights with these guys on a regular basis, and we are all about the same in strength.
strength doesn't automatically assume huge muscle. I seem to have a hard time gaining muscle but my strength seems to grow rapidly. One of my friends is totally the opposite. He gains huge size but can't keep up with me with lifts in the gym, in fact, it really irritates him. There are many light-weight weightlifters (even women)who can lift the same or more, than many men who are twice their size. So just because I am smaller, doesn't mean I am weaker.
In some cases I suppose that a heavier individual may have an advantage in some regards, like "carrying his weight through a technique" or being more difficult to reverse, etc., but he also has some things to his disadvantage, like fatiquing earlier due to his mass he must carry, and speed decreases the more weight you carry(look at lightweight boxers speed compared to heavyweights). Of course these things are not gospel, because everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, but this seems to be the dividing line I see between my opponents and myself save for the strength comparison.
So, does size matter? It depends on the individual and how he utilizes his God-given attributes.
strength doesn't automatically assume huge muscle. I seem to have a hard time gaining muscle but my strength seems to grow rapidly. One of my friends is totally the opposite. He gains huge size but can't keep up with me with lifts in the gym, in fact, it really irritates him. There are many light-weight weightlifters (even women)who can lift the same or more, than many men who are twice their size. So just because I am smaller, doesn't mean I am weaker.
In some cases I suppose that a heavier individual may have an advantage in some regards, like "carrying his weight through a technique" or being more difficult to reverse, etc., but he also has some things to his disadvantage, like fatiquing earlier due to his mass he must carry, and speed decreases the more weight you carry(look at lightweight boxers speed compared to heavyweights). Of course these things are not gospel, because everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, but this seems to be the dividing line I see between my opponents and myself save for the strength comparison.
So, does size matter? It depends on the individual and how he utilizes his God-given attributes.
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Well, even though he may not notice it, I see improvement with the guy I was talking about. What I want him to realize is that if you want to learn to take someone down, you should practice doing it against someone that isn't going to let you take him down. In a progressive manner. If you want to counter the close, you have to have someone try to take you down. In a progressive manner. And than sparred hard against a skilled opponent. And when it's all said and done, you know what you can and can not do. Than you work from there with the same progression.
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to me size is nothng but a load a BS. a 5'7" 145 lbs. vs a 6'9" 250+lbs. can overthrown the tall buy in an instant. wat matters is strength, speed and enuduance not size. IMO a big guy is an easier target. if the small guy's got incredible strength, i dont think it matters much how big the other guy is (even if he's got skill). the strength thus cancles out his size.
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that's been my experience, prince. but not always personal, sometimes just as an observer.
you're right, david..strength isn't always proportional with size. muscle strength is determined by electrostatic forces on the cellular level.. that is not a thing you can get a visual on...
big is big and scary only cause we are so visual.. our eyes are so important to us, and that's one of the tools that is readily apparent to our eyes..
you're right, david..strength isn't always proportional with size. muscle strength is determined by electrostatic forces on the cellular level.. that is not a thing you can get a visual on...
big is big and scary only cause we are so visual.. our eyes are so important to us, and that's one of the tools that is readily apparent to our eyes..
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Then next time I get ready to fight a big oaf, Im gonna keep my eyes closed!
haha just kidding, Im sorry, IM getting giddy, I think I need to study now...
haha just kidding, Im sorry, IM getting giddy, I think I need to study now...
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yes.. you are sure to beat him then, grasshopper.
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Wassup Chad! I believe that size does matter. When I was younger, I trained in Tae Kwon Do. (Everyone did, it was cheap daycare at the rec center) Well.... I was advancing a long in the curriculum, and I a started hanging out with my friend Brandon. Brandon at age 13, was a black belt. He had crisp technique, speed, timing, rhythm, but he was small. He'd kill guys in tournaments with a reverse punch-hook kick combo. To make a long story short, he had a run in with a kid from the same neighborhood, but different school. The other kid had developed a reputation as a "thug," in fact he made national TV when he took a live grenade to school. When these two guys got into it, my friend tried the same tried and true techniques on Kimo. Kimo shrugged off the blows, picked up Brandon, slammed him on the ground and proceeded to pound the crap out of him. Size normally means strength and power. All things being equal, bigger is best. The last name of the thug, Leopoldo.
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(shrug)
I think there is a difference of perspective in these statements, but not necessarily in the truth we are all trying to state.
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I think some of us are answering the question:
Is size the main determiner of the outcome of a fight.
I think others of us are answering the question:
Is size an attribute that can be overcome?
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These are very different questions..and I think most of the answers in this forum answer one or the other.
If two guys are mostly as knowledgable about their own body movements, the damaging of other bodies, and how to avoid said damage..but one is bigger..then we all pretty much seem to agree it goes to the bigger guy. (we've all seen this happen, by the way).
However, we all also know you can't tell if two guys are "mostly equal in all other aspects".. so really we are theorizing on visible elements and how they added to the outcome.
Someone saw a big guy and a little guy fight once, big guy REALLY trounced him..
This person would answer these questions "Size totally matters, hence, I work out constantly along with my boxing".
Some of us may have seen a smaller guy come out on top. Maybe even do it really well. These people would answer "Saw a little guy whip the dogsnot out of a bigger guy.. size didn't matter cause this guy could move and was seemingly powerful..even if he did look WAY smaller".
I think these are the two types of answers we've drudged up..for the most part..
I'll say this to add to what we've come up with:
Size isn't the total determiner, but an obstacle in it's own right. It CAN be an obstacle so big you can't overcome it (I'm in no hurry to fight a linebacker). However, it can also be an edge, if the guy you're fighting doesn't know you are capable, especially.
Strength (meaning weightlifting power) can be a total aid as well. It's hard to put a hold on guys who can benchpress 300 pounds..and legs to match. But strength poorly directed is worse than being weak, sometimes..
Power is the correct use of size, strength and movement. Strength is not power in a fight. Strength must be CONVERTED to power in a fight.
What I'm trying to say is, if you are at a certain strength level, you don't have to keep lifting. At a certain level of strength you are going to experience diminished gains in your fight gain with the time you spend lifting weights. I would put my money on a grappler that can bench 165 4 reps over a normalguy who can bench 265 4 reps.
The grappler is just going to use his 165 better. Not only that, he's going to be more efficient..even if the normal guy can turtle or tie him up somehow, he'll wear out cause he doesn't know WHERE to push, even if he is a strong guy.
I think there is a difference of perspective in these statements, but not necessarily in the truth we are all trying to state.
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I think some of us are answering the question:
Is size the main determiner of the outcome of a fight.
I think others of us are answering the question:
Is size an attribute that can be overcome?
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These are very different questions..and I think most of the answers in this forum answer one or the other.
If two guys are mostly as knowledgable about their own body movements, the damaging of other bodies, and how to avoid said damage..but one is bigger..then we all pretty much seem to agree it goes to the bigger guy. (we've all seen this happen, by the way).
However, we all also know you can't tell if two guys are "mostly equal in all other aspects".. so really we are theorizing on visible elements and how they added to the outcome.
Someone saw a big guy and a little guy fight once, big guy REALLY trounced him..
This person would answer these questions "Size totally matters, hence, I work out constantly along with my boxing".
Some of us may have seen a smaller guy come out on top. Maybe even do it really well. These people would answer "Saw a little guy whip the dogsnot out of a bigger guy.. size didn't matter cause this guy could move and was seemingly powerful..even if he did look WAY smaller".
I think these are the two types of answers we've drudged up..for the most part..
I'll say this to add to what we've come up with:
Size isn't the total determiner, but an obstacle in it's own right. It CAN be an obstacle so big you can't overcome it (I'm in no hurry to fight a linebacker). However, it can also be an edge, if the guy you're fighting doesn't know you are capable, especially.
Strength (meaning weightlifting power) can be a total aid as well. It's hard to put a hold on guys who can benchpress 300 pounds..and legs to match. But strength poorly directed is worse than being weak, sometimes..
Power is the correct use of size, strength and movement. Strength is not power in a fight. Strength must be CONVERTED to power in a fight.
What I'm trying to say is, if you are at a certain strength level, you don't have to keep lifting. At a certain level of strength you are going to experience diminished gains in your fight gain with the time you spend lifting weights. I would put my money on a grappler that can bench 165 4 reps over a normalguy who can bench 265 4 reps.
The grappler is just going to use his 165 better. Not only that, he's going to be more efficient..even if the normal guy can turtle or tie him up somehow, he'll wear out cause he doesn't know WHERE to push, even if he is a strong guy.
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