JKD-Training Tips And Experience Archives

[Chad W. Getz]

This is one of those threads I wouldn't mind seeing at the top of the list for a long time to come and about 10 pages long or so.

If you learned somthing or had something special happen at one of your classes/training/work-outs that may help others, we can place it here. Example, if you know hubud for 5 years, but you just learned a new application of it out of chi sao, or you learned how to make a pak sao work out of a clinch, or a gunting while you were grappling or whatever. A straight blast application, a stop kick, etc., etc.

[gungfuhero]

Soemthing I've been playing with lately when I spar my muay Thai friends (or anyone who digs on clinching) is using my chi sao skills to gain control of their arms and facilitate an attack. It's not the end all beat all technique, but I've had some success with it.

[Edited by gungfuhero on 12-12-2000 at 04:08 PM]

[thePrince]

i find that unconscious fighting is the best way to fight. cuase if you give into your animal instincts you hav a good chance of winning

[Chad W. Getz]

Remember to test your techniques...

It's easy to practice techniques and then start doing it without actually using it against resistance or fighting. Friday night, James and I worked out. We were doing some 10% clinching, talking about different techniques. I started showing him something and we worked at it, on the counters and closings, etc. Well when we went full clinch position-no striking, it was a little different, the techniqe, fool proof as it was during practice, wasn't showing up. Eventually, we got it working and realized the importance of positioning in the clinch before doing certain things.

Also, I was working on a crank that I could get 3 out of 5 times on James, that we decided to be very effective, all night. A few hours later, when a really small flexible guy came over to work, I tried to apply it but he just kept slipping out and around and doing some good kinamutai tricks on me that I was showing him 5 minutes earlier. LEsson learned: Practice with as many different types of people that you can find, everyone is different.

[HungryWolf21]

I am about to start training with a friend who has no prior training experience. I am probably just going to coach him in basic boxing and clinch work. We will probably start to do some ground work eventually when I get a little more experience. I think that it would help me to prepare for the street to train with an untrained partner. He will no doubt be very unpredictable, and give me an energy that I am not used to in the gym. I will keep ya'll posted on anything that may come out of our training sessions.

[Chad W. Getz]

Until we get our room with the pads, we've been working out on Monday nights with the groundfighting. We've been doing this on the concrete, so there are certain things that you can't do, like sliding or scooting. I feel though that this will better prepare us for groundfighhting on the street if necessary.

[double ouch]

When sparring with beginners, use simple straightforward techniques. Use timing to your advantage. Beginners have very eratic movements and will frustrate you if you try to set them up too much with complex moves.

[double ouch]

When working combinations on the focuss mitts in boxing training, you shouldn't try to hit as hard as you can with every hit. This makes your hits too slow and impedes your flow. What I try to do is to put more force in only one hit in a 3 hit combo. ex. Jab cross hook- stick the jab and cross quickly, then load up and really stick the hook.. Beginners often try to hit as hard as they can with every blow. They look very robotlike and have no flow.
Also I try to visualize knocking the focuss mitt of the hand of the feeder on my power hit.
Try it, it works!

[thePrince]

speed speed speed. speed+weight=power. if your fast enough you'll never worry about timing cuase like bruce you'll be their in a split second. if you apply the force from your waist then there is more power. nuff said!

[Chad W. Getz]

I have found that repition and shadow boxing with weights are adding to my speed and power, also. Some good points Ouch-Ouch.

CANNOT EXPRESS HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS: Train both sides before you find out it's too late and you should have trained it earlier. I know alot of people know this, but some might not.

[thePrince]

wat do you mean by both sides?

[shangchi]

Right lead and left lead (I think).

Gungfuhero - how do you control Muaythai guys with chi sao when you're in close? ANy examples? (I'd like to try em out on my MThai buddies!)

[Chad W. Getz]

Prince, shang chi's right. I always fought left lead before I started officially training. When I started training FMA, I always went right lead. I "practiced" left lead and stuff, but always fought right lead. One day I went to work out at Burt Richardson's school and was hitting the focus mitts right lead. The instructor told me, "oh, we are working left lead for now." I thought, Ok, and immediately noticed the difference. I will never make that mistake again. I will always train both sides and train them hard. Right and left lead in boxing. Right and left control in clinching, kicking, grappling escapes and submissions from both sides. Even to the minute of which leg crosses over when locking your guard.

Shangchi, I think the way to use it is to look at the WC techniques, and try them in the MT clinch. Back in the days chi sao was closer to the energy that they used. Today we don't start matches at reference points, they possibly happen in a clinch though. Try the chi sao, see what kind of "techniques" you can work, and go straight into the MT clinch and work it from there. IMO.

[gungfuhero]

Pretty much what I've been doing is disolving their energy and tying up their arms while they reach for me-usually with a boang sao, tan sao or fook sao. Anytime someone is fixated on grabbing you, you can disolve their grab and hit. When they reach for you they are "bridging" so to speak. So far the only way I've gotten it to work is to apply it before the clinch or grip is defined. In my opinion, controling the arm before they reach the head is crucial.

This tactic is still in its infancy with me so be careful trying it out; I can't guarantee any results.

[shangchi]

Chad and Gungfuhero,

Duly noted. Thanks.