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  • #31
    If you have the problem of getting your head stuck in a guillotine after you double leg tackle, a good tactic is to move to 69 (kami shiho gatame). Not only will it lessen the pressure, but it can put you in a good position for submissions and puts the fight in your favor.

    When training the wedge in trapping, aggressiveness and forward pressure can't be emphasized enough. Go for the eyeball, and if the barrier remains, that is the real time to go into trapping. Don't ever wedge merely to change reference points. Use it to attack or use it to remove a barrier to facilitate hitting. I fell into the trap of looking for traps, but I'm trying hard to remedy that.

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    • #32
      Targeting the body

      When you throw a straight punch to the body try dropping down so your punch is still extending straight out from your body.

      This can be help to disguise the shoot.

      Jab
      Drop down and throw a cross
      Raise up and throw a lead hook
      drop and shoot in

      Hopefully your opponent will think that that body drop is preceding another punch to the body.

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      • #33
        shoot, blast, hook, jab, uppercut... it goes on almost seemingly endless in different "names", which all ultimately mean the one thing "to strike".

        Ok nature lesson for y'all...

        Worlds deadliest snake, of which yeh resides in australia like myself hehe conincidence huh ? :P, being "The Inland Taipan", "The Eastern Taipan", "The Fierce Snake" to give you a few of its names, it has the "ability" not through "training" or "practise" but more through "awareness" and "knowing", can "strike" another creature from any direction, any angle, and it does not "hesitate" or "hold back" when doing so, it's "strike" moves like lightning heck maybe even quicker, its hard to catch them with your eye when your trying...

        And I can tell you 100% from seeing the result of what a single "strike" from the fierce snake can do, I sure as hell don't wanna upset their "way" hehe, no mercy from the fierce snake

        There are a few I've noted that meantion "instinctive relfex" ... you may mention "experiencing" it, but, do you know how to find it and gain control of it ? ...
        Hey, but don't control it to much or you will subdue it!



        Lesson 1:-

        Learn to walk before you try running...

        Yeh, yeh I know ya heard it before, BUT,

        have your learnt anything from it ????


        -
        20th Century Philosophy proudly, yet humbly,
        presents... me! hehe...

        This is my "perception" of "learn to walk
        before you attempt to run" is put...

        Firstly on a "science" level you have I think
        it is 216 bones in your body. Now, how many
        muslces does it take to perpetuate all these bones in
        order for us to sit, walk, run, bow, crouch, punch,
        nod, shake and the names go on, ????

        Not sure what the exact number, myself, of muscles
        we have is but I do know that it is at least 4 to 5
        times more than the amount of bones, now not only do
        these muscles need to support their own weight they
        are also supposed to share a portion of the bone
        weight with the other muscles. And then there are
        all the other muscles as well to add.

        To express it further there are a few muscles that
        never rest through out the course of "life" yet does
        not seem to complain about, it just does what it does
        "moves".... Anyone guess the muscles ?

        YOUR HEART! ... It has the strength of mountains and
        the endurance of water and it NEVER stops to take a
        break, for if it did then ultimately it would cease
        to be what it is and thats just not on...

        Ever watched a dance move with grace ?

        Heck just watch how gracefull, and fast no doubt,
        that Jun Fan was in his screen shots!


        MUSCLE CONTROL! STRENGTH FOLLOWS HE WHO LETS IT!


        ""THE SLEEPER MUST AWAKEN!"" -- The Movie Dune I'm sure it was said.

        ---

        Well I hope that helps some find "their" basics.




        ***THE SLEEPER HAS AWAKENED FATHER!!!*** just a little quote to myself there hehe


        [Edited by Dion on 01-06-2001 at 11:54 PM]

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        • #34
          I totally agree on your jabbing mechanic. Lowering the whole body not only adds distance to your punch but gives more power than angling you arm downward. Think about it; can you do more weight with a bench press or an incline or decline press?

          That punching combo to set up the shoot sounds very familiar. Erik Paulson's Tackling and Throwing video shows very similar ways of setting up tackling.

          When somebody tries to use bobbing and weaving against you, forearm strikes can stop them in their tracks and be ready to unload a flurry of overhands uppercuts. You can catch them across their head/neck and since it's a bigger weapon than the fist there is a bigger chance of hitting them and stopping their movement.

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          • #35
            a note to gungfuhero and for that fact all to think over...

            The forearm used as you described yes has more chance of hitting, but, ultimately does it ?

            On the same token it is also easier to avoid the "larger" as there is more to focus on or with... which one? ... heh both...

            Take away a "warriors weapons" and you reduce him to but a "man", take the "man" away from the "weapons" and you reduce them to but "objects" with no purpose, combine them again and you get the warrior back... where did I hear that.. bah dunno I just let it come hehe but in plainer words, that forearm, is also a mighty big target that CAN be punished... or... taken away from you!

            Ever had a limb taken out unexpectedly ????

            Remember the torso and head area arent the only "striking" zones... punishment strikes worst when and where least expected

            hmmm maybe Im going to far to soon for some... ahh well missuse of something only ultimately leads to ones own punishment and even more true gives another valuable lesson, but not always one that needs to be experienced .. hint hint ... a busted joint or punished muscle DOES NOT go down well, with, well anyone I've ever known of... hehe ;P

            --
            Stick fighting example...

            What happens when the stick, propelled at quite
            some "force", hits a mans arm ??

            The ARM shatters hence the idea! you try fighting with a
            shattered arm! heh perspective people ... life is not
            kind.

            Self-conciousness is one mother of a cell to break out
            of... free yourself!
            --

            Combat is not something of show, the show just comes from the combat. Combat is like a chaos, from chaos, beauty flourishes, created from an unexpected event which you have no control over yet have to react to, in combats case its the reaction of the preservation of your own well being or to better put it... YOUR LIFE!

            Put it in perspective peoples.... when it comes down to it, every 'technique' is right and every 'technique' is wrong...
            The 'technique' of 'preservation of life' is very very very very very difficult, if not impossible, to describe in words or single actions, what may prove effective one moment will not always be effective at another moment!

            thatll do heh...

            **...the "way" away from any one "way"...**

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            • #36
              How do you think I would injure my forearm? I've done this in sparring and had good luck with it. NO, you shouldn't hit the hard part of the skull with the forearm (or anything else except for the palm maybe). Common logic tells us that one should use a hard weapon on a soft target and a soft weapon on a hard target.

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              • #37
                ok so theres the weakness ....

                remove the forearm then what are you gonna do ??

                open yourself to fathom this...

                what are you going to do about that kick, that just broke that leg, ankle, knee cap etc that becomes rigid as it balances your "tried" move ?, that struck out at the same time as the "defence against" the forearm, which decides to let it extend part way then break it ???

                and if you are really going to try to get close enough in hope to make that "forearm strike" successfull... oops hang on whats he doing over...... OH SHIT! OUCH! there goes the back or hip or hey look theres a wide open rib cage ... ohhh even better, lets pop that shoulder right out of place and crush those ribs ohhhh ..... SMASH! and the mountain crumbles.

                there is no one answer as you said in another post, in fact the only time I think I would even fathom the idea of using just the forearm would have to be to provide a pivot for my hand to revolve around... the whole arm is both a weapon and a target at once... its just your arm, don't concentrate on one part of it or you wont know what the rest of it is doing....

                and extending yourself in ways that 'feel' un-natural will also ultimately open you up to a whole world of HURT.... remember the repetitive conditioning you have put in over a long period of time on that rigid move ? are you conforming to it or is it conforming to you ???????

                think really hard as to why a Mui-Thai fighters toughen their bodies to take strikes (ultimately, how much can they take before the innevitable happens, oh wait arent we trying to cheat the innevitable or are they ? ... could it be because they found weakness in the 'technique' and they had to find an adaptation for it or was it to find ultimate controll over body .... both or either or is it neither ??????????

                Man adapts very well when it comes to finding an easy way around something instead of facing the truths...


                **HEY, do you *REALLY* want to put that "forearm" in that blender ?!?!?!?!?!?? hehe don't let it conform you **

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                • #38
                  Gungfuhero,

                  You wrote:
                  >>That punching combo to set up the shoot sounds very familiar. Erik Paulson's Tackling and Throwing video shows very similar ways of setting up tackling.<<

                  I saw Erik doing this on his seminar tape.
                  He really didn't talk about it, but it made me think that it was a nice way to "disguise" the shoot.

                  ~Kev

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                  • #39
                    Anyone with any concept of martial art knows that a forearm shot against someone employing the bob and weave is just one move in a myriad that you could do. You may be able to knee the face or sweep the leg or spike them with an elbow or any other conceivable thing. The only reason I brought it up is because this is a training archive and it is one thing that I train, not the only thing. The fact that I brought it up doesn't mean I'm limited only to it. Forgive me for sharing a tactic.

                    Everything works and nothing works, but it's your ass that has to deal with the consequences.

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                    • #40
                      It is a training tips and experiences archive, and since you experienced it, it does fall under the experiences category. Much appreciated GH.

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                      #41
                      dion: Hm. most of us here understand teh concept of limb strikes, I don't think you have to worry about talking over our heads. Not to mention, alot of us have some full contact dueling experience, and most of us have semi full contact experience... when a stick hits a man's arm, the arm _doesn't_ usually shatter (unless you're hitting it with a tire iron or something). In fact, he can usually still punch with it, even..at least after the first few blasts..fighting pumps loads of adrenaline..


                      I've been doing my focus mitts with basic punch/elbow combos and triangle footwork, and it's been awesome. just with the first few weeks my mobility has increased massively..power as well.

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                      • #42
                        Hey quietanswer, how were the Roy Harris tapes? I really liked the Eric Paulson tapes for the focus mitt training. And I also liked the way Burt Richardson was doing it when I visited his class a while back.

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                        • #43
                          My instructor had me mixing punches with kicks after various boxing style evasions and it was a great experience. It works beautifully if you happen to move too far with a slip or bob and weave.

                          Do any of you think that ringman ship (cornering and the like) is relavent to street fighting? I used to not think so, but now I realize that putting someone up against a fence or wall is a good tactic that should be addressed for the street as well. What do you guys think?

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                          • #44
                            Why not? If we can stop someone from controlling the range, than half the work is done. I liked the way Paul Vunak did it in his video, and someone did it in the last UFC Japan (27, I think).

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                            • #45
                              I'll share an experience and sort of realization that I had tonight working out. There is a "technique" that I saw a vid clip on Roy Harris' web site of Roy breaking someones mount. I tried it out and worked on it, I like it, and everyone pretty much agrees that it is a good move. How could they disagree if I used it to do what I wanted to do. (And no statements about how one must not stand outside and observe rather to be BE the technique...take what I say at face value) Anyway, this technique was a really smooth move that took absolutely no strength, and purely strategy...I'm not sure if I could even say it involves much timing or sensitivity, it is really simple and works from proper position and technique.

                              On the Abu Dhabi 2000 tournament tape, you can see Rigan Machado breaking someones mount alot differently. His way used strength, took a little longer, and involved alot of timing and sensitivity, because he wanted to use his strength at the exact right time so that he wouldn't have to struggle much. I don't know how big Roy is, but from the vid clip, he didn't look to be that big, but a little more on the thin guy that Rigan. Rigan fights in the highest weight class and is close to my size and body type than Roy. Anyway, I've been working it for a little while here and the more I do it the better I get...I can work it in situation though, so again can't argue the effectiveness.

                              There are "strong" techniques and "technical" techniques, and each has it's own usefullness and timing.

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