burton richardson?

[Chop Wisby]

mr. richardson;

if you have a chance, check out this link:

http://www.hemasite.homepage.com/Back%20lever%20comparison.htm

i notice that in print, you demonstrate a number of modern applications of this tech.; i'm curious about its general utility, b/c a number of aikido & J-J styles have the basic tech., but don't seem to get much use out of it.

i'd appreciate your comments.

Chop Wisby

[Chad W. Getz]

Hey C-W. I'm definetly no Mr. Richardson, but I've got some training with the particular technique. Instead of looking at the particular technique and how it is done in the forward facing stance or the rear facing stance, look at the principles. Once, demonstrating a move to someone, he commented on how he was only 100 lbs, and how myself at 215, had the weight advantage over him to do it. So I grabbed everyone there that day and showed him how it could be done using the principles of bottom(knee) one direction and top(hip/chest/stomach) the opposite direction. Then I went over the principles of it with him. Then he tried it one everyone including me. So the 100 lb. guy found out that he could make it work. What he needed to work on though was the ability to get there and do it against a resisting opponent. Unfortunately, learning a technique is to fighting like a slice of pepporoni is to pizza. Without a good dough/pizza sauce/melted cheese/ etc., it ain't a pizza. If it ain't cooked good or cooked too long, it ain't good. A standing straight up clinch at waist or chest is a nice reference point to work this particular move. Not the only one, but it is a reference point that is very common to happen in real fights. Try working to that position from a MT type of clinch or even after a thigh kick if you are close. Just my thoughts on it. BTW, I often find myself doing this and either following the guy down to the mount or with arm bar variations or stay standing to kick him while he's down, depending on how he moved/responded/reacted between the reference point and the actual position for the technique to take place. BTW, if MAtt Thornton is here, I wouldn't mind hearing his experiences with this actual "technique"-as much as I hate to use the word-.

[Chop Wisby]

tech. talk

thanks; all opinions welcome.

[Jim McRae]

Chop Wisby:

I'll let Burton know about your post. He is pretty busy, but hopefully he will be able to post soon.

I trained Aikido for about five years before I got into JKD and did quite a few variations of this throw, usually termed kokyû-nage. Although I still sometimes get versions of this throw to work in sparring, I never get them up the way I was taught in Aikido (which is the case for most of the stuff I learned in Aikido, for that matter). I never specifically try to set up this throw, but rather "happen upon it" as a result of getting to my opponent's side from a clinch. Often, if I perform a Greco-Roman arm-drag from the clinch, it puts me in position to do a variation of this throw (usually with a strike first to unbalance).

Take care and train hard,
Jim McRae

[Chad W. Getz]

Hi, Jim. Can you e-mail me, I've been having this problem with Microsoft Outlook and problems with my e-mail. Are you busy this Sunday?

[Chop Wisby]

bttt

bttt (so it doesn't get lost)

[Burton]

Hi All,
This throw requires committment! You must go in deep with a great deal of force to do it against a resisting opponent. A good combo is going from a single leg, then raising up into this position. Key point is to try to make the opponent fall directly over your leg and behind you, rather than pushing them away from you. If you push them away, they usually step out of the "trip". Just be sure that the person doesn't grab your neck on the way down, as you can end up falling into a bad ground postion. Enjoy!

[AWSolis]

I have used this move successfully against 10 different opponents playing as Yoshimitsu in Tekken 2 and 3

in real life, I have used it against a judo player who stepped in to do a hip throw. I stiff armed him and as Burton described pulled him over my leg and behind me using opposite motion as Chad described. It really helped using his Gi to facilitate my grip...can't say I would have gotten this move without the Gi.

[Chop Wisby]

good info.

thanks, guys.

[Chad W. Getz]

Because I'm a bigger guy, I like to muscle the guy to stand up almost to the point where I am squeezing his waist with a bear hug (opponents hands usually come up to push at your chest or shoulders here-usually, not always)keeping your head in tight and right shoulder pushing into his chin to make him look up(dumog principle-also this is where the clinch and punch drill must be worked alot-and I mean alot, so that you are not eating his punches as well) from there, I like to pull him in with a big jerking motion, step my rear leg behind him while I turn my body, bring the same side arm and push it though while going into almost a horse stance (hosima-osima-sp?) then pushing back with my elbow/humerous(depending how deep I am) against his solar plexus/stomach/waist/whatever he gives you. This sensitivity can only be gained by working a positioning clinch drill with strikes and trying this specific drill against someone who knows you are trying to do it. There are so many attributes that need to be worked on before this "technique" can actually be utilized against a resisting opponent. BTW, the way I am describing it is not as the first picture on that site is showing it, I am talking more about lower in the site a picture where you step in behind the opponent and make him fall back over your leg almost like he is going to sit on your lap. I think Burton was talking about the forward facing version...just know that they utilize the same principles. Alvis, I got the impression you were talking about the rear facing one as well, I'm not sure, though.