Round kick: what to do with arms?

[Thai Bri]

Are your arms as big as your ego?

[William Holland]

Thai,

You seemed to doubt the idea of being able to defend the groin with the lead hand by using a deragatory term to accentuate your argument. I on the other hand am only sighting several quality and well known authorities who agree with me.

Any argument can and should be answered with case histories by known and respected leaders in the field. And the last time I checked, this is a Jeet Kune Do Forum. I sighted JKD people including myself with over 28 years of competitive and street experience.

You on the other hand started using insults.

[sherwinc]

For the Round kick (In Jeet Kune Do known as Hook Kick) rear hand in front of chin/jaw line held loose & relaxed. Forearm in front of solar plex, elbow tucked in front of ribs.

The lead hand held low in front of groin, elbow slightly bent covering front rib line.

This was taught to me by Steve Johnson who trained privately with Bruce Lee, Taky Kimura and James Lee.

William E. Holland II
"The Mongoose"

https://www.ijkda.com

www.tactixtriainingcenter.com

so, you are trained with some of the Bruce Lee's Students......

i have a question:

is it true from what i heard that Bruce Lee invented Jeet Kune Do for commercial purposes, to raise money, etc......., while his actual real streetfight is WingChun, Wu TaiChi, South Mantis KungFu, and other Southern Swinging Longraged KungFu arts????????

[HtTKar]

A common TKD stance is to protect your groin with one hand and face with the other. It also allows you to spring your hand up out of sight for a strike. At least this is how I was instructed.

Not all martial arts protect themselves this way. But it works great for sparring.

I myself choose to keep both hands up.

[Uber_Tap]

I'm not trying to hate on you dude, I just don't think you can offer something as an end all be all. Some things that work great for small quick guys doesn't work for big strong guys and vv, and I think that holds true for most things. You can certainly implement something into your game that isn't necessarily natural to you but that doesn't mean there isn't something that will work better for you. You as a JKD guy should be able to appreciate that.

Also, I'd love to check it out. We have no real JKD schools in my area. I may have an opportunity to get to Texas on business in the next few months. If this happens can I get in a free class or 2 while I'm there? I'll be in Irving, so it will be a pretty decent drive but I'd love to try to get up there and check out your school. If that's cool with you, I'll shoot you a private message with my info and the dates I'll be in state once I'm sure they are going to send me. I'm always willing to learn a new approach.

William, explain what you are talking about a little better for me. I've seen people leave their lead hand down when they fight mainly from a side stance. Bill Wallace showed something similiar to that in one of his seminars that I went to, but he of course was using all lead leg techniques so your body was never really exposed(I mean your midsection, I know this leaves you open for leg kicks and shoots). I found that I was able to defend myself pretty well in that scenario because I wasn't opening myself up by using my rear leg, so I could protect my mid and just slip a punch/kick to the head pretty easy. My strength is my hand speed, and I wasn't able to strike quickly with my rear hand from that stance so I couldn't really use it, I like fighting from more of a boxing stance. That's a great style for a kicker, but as a fair kicker with better hands it didn't work great for me.

I'm assuming that the poster is speaking of a rear-leg Muay Thai type of round house kick and I'm struggling to visualize how you can defend yourself with your lead hand down because your entire trunk and head are exposed as you throw that kick. It seems as if someone could block or eat that kick and then pretty much light you up. You said something about pictures of these techniques, if you have something like that please post it.

By the way, why the hell have you been in 50 street fights? I thought I was redneck in my late teens/early twenties but that's one hell of a number.

[Uber_Tap]

What ufc guys did you train?

[William Holland]

Hi Uber,

Yes 50 plus. I grew up in a very violent neighborhood just South of Los Angeles, rife with gangs and ethnic clashes. A lot of drive by shootings, gang fights etc. You either stood up for yourself, moved out of town or become a statistic.

A couple of my freinds lost their lives in those streets. A coupld moved away and several of us defended ourselves.

On top of that, I had a 23 year career as a Private Investigator and Personal Protection Specialist (Bodyguard). And combined with a couple of years as a Bouncer at a nightclub, put me in position to hone my schools much too often.

And I am smart enough to know that as good, fast and strong as I am, I survived those many episodes more due to the good Lords grace than my skill. I have been shot and stabbed at three times each without any injury.

Do you have the Tao of Jeet Kune Do? If so, look at the Fighting Stance Bruce suggests. The lead hand is low inside the lead leg. Rear hand high.

I am not suggesting that this stance is the only stance I use or teach. This one allows for good groin and midsection protection, an elusisve lead, and good attack by drawing set up.

Also, I am not suggesting that keeping the lead hand low near the groin is the only way to do it. But it is what many of Bruce Lee's Original Students use and have taught me since 1978. And being this is a JKD forum, that is what i offered to somone who asked.

As far as the UFC guys, I was Chris Brennans first martial arts instructor almost 10 years ago and helped him prepare for his UFC debut and a fight in Indiana where he got a draw with Pat Militich. All of the judges were from Militich's town, as was the referee and the venue. The video tape and Militich both say that we won that fight.

The other was Fabiano Iha who I dd not teach anything. He and I opened up a gym together about 5 years ago. I worked with him several times, but he stobbornly did not want to learn anything. He just wanted to train what he already knew.

When we sparred, he had zero stand up skills as far as feints, combination, counterfighting, tactics, etc. but he was in great cardio shape. While there several great fighters trained at that gym, including Tito Ortiz, Marco Ruas, Pedro Rizzo.

I will be teaching a seminar in Austin on September 18th. I will be in College Station in December.

[William Holland]

Sherwinc,

I only know what I have been told. That is, at one time Bruce was thinking of opening a national chain of schools, but he soon realized that JKD could not be taught on such a large scale commercial basis and needs much more personal hands on and individual exchange and variation to be able to be capsulized and put into a cookie cutter format.

Plus, it was always changing and evolving. Everyone of the 10 Bruce Lee students that I have learned from got a different JKD from Bruce, based on their bodies and mentalities and what Bruce was personally working on at the time.

Kawabunga,

The Mongoose

[William Holland]

Thi,

"A man who says something cannot be done should not interrupt a man in the process of doing it" Chinese Proverb


Because you cannot or choose not to do something does not mean it cannot or should not be done. JKD is bottom line. If it works do it. If it doesn't, improve it or discard it.

I have always tried to challenge or improve everything that has been taught to me. I always will. If you can show me how to improve something, I welcome it with open arms.

I don't know your level of JKD experience or exposure. I do question how full your cup is though.


William E. Holland II
"The Mongoose"

[Thai Bri]

Are your arms as big as your ego?

http://www.tactixtrainingcenter.com/albums/album_image/1162443/286179.htm

See? Big arms, but the ego still wins.

You seem to be your biggest fan! Haw haw haw!

And listen Kung Fu fellah, this - "You on the other hand started getting using insults" is not a sentence.

Haw haw haw!

[William Holland]

I, for one can edit my grammatical errors which I have. You? Can you take back your insults about someone you have no idea about?

As far as interest, I have give seminars all over the world and trained many world champions and pro athletes. I am going to Austin to visit a few friends and spread some JKD around. We already have many people coming down. Whether we get any from this forum is not crucial.


Thanx for the plug by putting my website address up. And to know you took the time to actually research me, well . . . I'm flattered.

I will waste no more time trying to give you any helful advice unless you ask for it.

William E. Holland
"The Mongoose"

[Thai Bri]

Yes. Heres a question. How do you love yourself so much without getting embarrassed?

[William Holland]

Iv'e heard it said.

"You can't love anyone else if you don't love yourself"
And yes, I feel good about who I am and what I do. (Most of the time!)
Is there any other way to go through life?

"You either stand for something or you die for nothing!"

William E. Holland II
"The Mongoose"

[jukado1]

round kicks.

Ahoym8e: 1st thing, nothing wrong with throwing your rear arm back as they do in savate, It works for some but not for all, and as far as throwing a rear leg round kick, there is more then one correct way to do it, For power I tend to throw the kick as Thai Bri does, leading with a jab, as I step in for the jab i use a small step but turn my foot out, then I tork my shoulders as I throw the kick, as far as MY hand position, when kicking low my hands are up, with my elbows in, as unless I'm fighting Billy Barty, (an actor who was about 3 feet tall,) their not going to reach your groin. If your kicking higher, above the waist, my lead,(right) hand is just bent normally, as if I were running, while my rear or left hand is down covering the groin, Can this fail ? OF COURSE, so you try not to leave your kick out for an opponent to counter, also we hope they will be reacting to our kick. But just like everyone else this is what I do because it works for me, the best way for you to find out what works for you is to try all these methods and keep what works and discard what doesn't. Gee! that sounds like something someone else once said, Class, class, class?

[Thai Bri]

Hi Bob,

Nice to have you here.

I try to throw a rear hand feint as I get into position, then hit with a low roundhouse to the thigh. Mind you I've been fading my round kick out recently. Great power but:

1. Leaves you a litte open if he charges you down and
2. Leaves you in a lot of pain if he blocks with his knee. Ouch.