Round kick: what to do with arms?

[Thai Bri]

PS - theres an ego on the loose. His name is Mongoose.

[jukado1]

William Holland.

Thai Bri: 2 quick things, first, while I've never met Mr. Holland, he's been around the southern California martial arts and fighting scene for many years, in fact I believe I saw him kick boxing some 20 years ago, and he is knowledgeable, 2nd, one of MY favorite moves for kick boxing was to throw a couple of strong low round kicks, I refer to them as muai Thai kicks, then throw one a little slower so my opponent will back away and pat himself on the back for seeing that slow kick, but as he backs away I like to hit him with a crossing side kick, that was always fun.

[Thai Bri]

I'm only funning Holland. I'm sure he's a great fighter.

I like your style re the deception.........

[William Holland]

No problem Thai. Actually, you got my blood boiling so good that I got a bunch of chores done!

Hi Bob!!!

"The Mongoose is definitely on the Loose!"

[Thai Bri]

You need to lighten up Ego boy.

Mind you, come and visit me in England. I'll wind you up and then give you the ironing!

[William Holland]

Okay, I'm over you Thai. I said no problem. I meant no problem.
I tried to make peace and you keep pushing it.
Good nite.

[Thai Bri]

They're called jokes ya big mard arse.

I don't know. A sense of humour is useful you know. Why not absorb one?


(now that is particularly brilliant, get it? "absorb what is useful"? get it? I'm flippin wasted here!)

[William Holland]

Ironing? Is that kinda what Cornwallis did to George Washington? I would be delighted mate!

Humor taken. But then I don't like Benny Hill or Monty Python Either. Touche!
You want Humour. Try the Jerky Boys Out for Size, New Jersey Turnpike Humor would put some starch in your shorts.

The Mongoose

[Thai Bri]

If you don't like Benny Hill you are certifiably insane. And thats a FACT!

[Patrick G.]

u guys r gay...

[Ahoym8e]

u guys r gay...

No kidding. quit hijacking my Thread!!!

As for the kick I am asking about, yes it is the Muay Thai style low roundkick.

I am not considering using it as a solo weapon. I've never used it "for real," but I train pretty hard with it, and mostly use it to finish a combination that ended high: jab to the face, hook to the body, another high punch and finally the low round kick while the opponent is worried about his head because he is getting hit there. I've seen what can happen when shin hits knee or hip, so I want a relatively non moving, unguarded target if I'm gonna throw it.

Luckily I can kick a bag awfully hard with any of the techniques (any of the three in the poll, and I just tried out William's suggestion of rotating the arm down). I'll need to try them all out in sparring soon to see. I guess I could use all of them as I see fit.

Somebody mentioned Bas Rutten's kicking style, and I use that too. especially of I am a tiny bit out of position for the leg kick I'll jump that lead foot into position. I really like it; it's almost like you are winding the leg and hips up, and then unwinding with the kick. I still train the traditional, non-telegraphing form (rotating on ball of foot) as well, but I am liking Bas' way better and better. Oh especially if I am doing a roundkick from a forward leg and need to throw a little switch in before the kick! I have a lot of respect for Bas Rutten. He is one ass kickin' dude, with no lack of balls either.

Anyway, thanks for all the good input. I think the main thing with the kick is lower body mechanics, and once those are established, guarding or other hand motion need be chosen by the fighter based on circumstances.

[Nutz]

I try to throw a rear hand feint as I get into position, then hit with a low roundhouse to the thigh. Mind you I've been fading my round kick out recently. Great power but:

1. Leaves you a litte open if he charges you down and
2. Leaves you in a lot of pain if he blocks with his knee. Ouch.

Ditto on all accounts. For me, the low roundhouse kick doesn't seem to be working the way I always like for it to. Yeah there is a lot of power to it, but my stature really limits my chances of firing it off (only 5'6"), which is why I'm leaning towards a preference to the front kick. This way I can get that extra ground needed to close in for a SB or clinch.

Does anyone else drop the foot where their kicks end and move straight into boxing range, or is it just me? It seems like most people will pull the leg back in a snappy manner like a jab and remain in boxing range until the distance is closed by pure footwork or some other factor. Me? I like to throw the kick, drop the foot and fire off some crosses or hooks (or flow right into the SB if its there).

[Ahoym8e]

Does anyone else drop the foot where their kicks end and move straight into boxing range, or is it just me? It seems like most people will pull the leg back in a snappy manner like a jab and remain in boxing range until the distance is closed by pure footwork or some other factor. Me? I like to throw the kick, drop the foot and fire off some crosses or hooks (or flow right into the SB if its there).

I step back after the kick. I've found in my workouts that I usually kick last or I only kick. i.e. I'll lowkick someone and step back to see what they are going to do, or I punch (or combo punch) and then kick. Normally I'll end the punching combination high, and then kick low right away and step back. That's just me though...

[ekohc]

i think you should swing you arm back
it is worth the risk to get the extra power

[Nutz]

i think you should swing you arm back
it is worth the risk to get the extra power

It was already stated how the extra "power" felt from dropping the hand is a fallacy. The sensation actually comes from the couter-torque effect of your body going in two directions at once. If anything, the only foreseable benefit would be enhanced balance.