Defense against Hook punch

[Kowloon_Kid]

This is bugging me for a few days, ever since I started in a Jeet Kune Do class.

I have trained in various martial arts since I was 11, I am now 31. I stopped martial art training for 4 years because I had a bad car crash. Anyway enough background about myself.

This is what is bugging me. I have been told to use this block/shield/Parry not sure how to define it. It look like a upward elbow which you use your forearm and fist to protect your temple and jaw.

At the first 2 lesson, I thought that is a pretty good defensive. Since I will be protecting 2 of my weak point against a hook.

Then after the 2 lesson, on the way to go home. I see 2 bad point about this defense.

Bad Point 1
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I thought if I am fighting for real, the opponent doesn't have a sparring/pad glove on.

If he hit me hard with a hook punch and I attempt to use this upward elbow block/shield/Parry. The fist of the opponent will hit one of the pressure point along between my fist and my forearm. As you know there are many points on that side. Anyway one hard punch on any of those area, I will not be able to use that arm to punch for that fight.

Bad point 2
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If the opponet hit be with a hook punch and see my reaction. He will spot the weakness of the position where I place my arm. If he is a skill fighter he will do a hook against so I can expose myself again.

Imagine He throw a left hook (as a dummy) to my temple, I block using this upward elbow. He then change the left fist to a open hand grab to my writst. Using his right hand to push my elbow further upward. I will immobilized/ arm lock.

Anyway my question is, does your Jeet Kune Do Sifu teach you to use the same block? Or do they teach you any other defense? If so please advise me thanks.

[peopleschamp]

sounds similar to a fma block to a hook punch, except, unless I'm doing it wrong, I tuck my chin in and away from the blocking arm. The block is actually done so that my ear is pressed into my shoulder and his hook collides with the outer part of my upper arm (mostly likely the side of my bicep). It is easy to do and switch up and you never just block and then hit, but it's sort of simultaneous block and hit. This block also can work if you can't manuveur away from a high kick (and if someone actually tried to kick you in the head for that matter) - atleast you won't get knocked out and you might be able to grab the leg or atleast have an open line to a groin shot/clinch and knees.

If anyone were stupid enough to grab my hand and push it up sending my elbow upwards and setting me up for great rotation on an elbow, hammerfist, me grabbing the back of his neck and head butting him, etc I would love that. A couple of other points - it isn't that easy to just grab the wrist and fling it upwards especially with you using it to block a hook - you would never hold it so loosely. Try to have one of your friends act this out, throw a committed hook (atleast in appearance, or else you wouldn't have gone to that block, right) and change it up like you said and you will see it's not much to worry about honestly. Now a good feint is a different story, but then he has to be pretty quick to afterwards grab my wrist and back to where it's hard to immobolize my arm in the manner you said. Also when you act it out realize that the grab you're worried about leaves your opponent nice and open for you or without much of an attacking posture. Also he's limited his attacking options as much as he limited your's because he choose to grab your wrist.

The other defense to a hook that I can think of and that you should definately practice are duck and throw you're own hook/favorite close attack, push the opponents fist into an elbow that you throw (takes a lot of practice), directly elbow the hook (if you miss you have naturally moved your head out of the way - elbowing takes the right angle also, but it can be done), step back (a proper hook is pretty close so a small step back can cause a miss), push the forearm, jamming at the elbow/upper arm/bicep, and gunting (takes practice but is great when you can get it off).

[Kowloon_Kid]

The other defense to a hook that I can think of and that you should definately practice are duck and throw you're own hook/favorite close attack, push the opponents fist into an elbow that you throw (takes a lot of practice), directly elbow the hook (if you miss you have naturally moved your head out of the way - elbowing takes the right angle also, but it can be done), step back (a proper hook is pretty close so a small step back can cause a miss), push the forearm, jamming at the elbow/upper arm/bicep, and gunting (takes practice but is great when you can get it off).

Thanks, This is really helpful.

[Freedom]

1: Cover tight (kinda like you said)
2: Bob and weave
3: Tan sao ( block the inside of his wrist with the outside of your arm, while throwing back a jab, straight lead or whatever.
4: Bicep stop

Hope this helps

[Kowloon_Kid]

1: Cover tight (kinda like you said)
2: Bob and weave
3: Tan sao ( block the inside of his wrist with the outside of your arm, while throwing back a jab, straight lead or whatever.
4: Bicep stop

Hope this helps

Thanks, great help.

[fenwick99]

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1. shoulder stop to 1-2 thai elbow combo, to headbutt or choke

2. weave to straight palm blast.

3. double shoulder push to leg kick/ knee to thigh

4. duck into heabutt, thumb eyes, sweep.

5. dip sau block (or high tan sau) with fingerjab to base of throat

[towajkd]

Biu Da. Bicep Stop, Bob Weave, Gunt (Kali), Duck and cover, Salute block/cover (if in tight), Hit the Guy before he throws it (jkd lol)

[peopleschamp]

a lot of repetition going on here.

[BeingAtOne]

My advice is to just tty all the suggestions with a friend and a big 16oz glove let him throw hooks at you and try the techneques listed her and see which one you like the most and which one feels most natural for you.

[Hardball]

I vote for Ducking also. Duck to get out of the way of the always "Dangerous" hook punch. If you are fighting/sparring a boxer, then you have to be extra careful because they have fast hands.

[peopleschamp]

Definately practice with someone, but make sure your friend can throw a good, fast hook. Maybe have yourself be in a corner, so that you have very little room to work with and also it's important your friend doesn't just throw a hook. Try just a hook at first and work up to good combinations because usually someone would set it up with a good jab, cross or something to close in to hook distance. Both of you should be wearing gloves and headgear, this way you can practice gunting, jamming, and all that good stuff.

I wouldn't just pick one of the techniques either, but try to get as good with as many of them as you can. If all you did was duck a hook, then you've become a predictable fighter.

[Sensei Saki]

Try saying that with more or less context.Perhaps. I've never thought about have yourself be in a corner so that you have very little room to work with and also it is important your friend does not just throw a hook.OK I will try it.Not many people say both.No one says you have to.But not all of them are.

[SiY]

Would this not work. Imagine a right hook comes i shoulder stop with my right arm coming across my head blocking the side in which the hook is coming from while im shoulder stopping with left. Then once i have done the shoulder stop. I step in with my right foot changiong lead and back hand strike into their head/neck or grab their neck/head and knee them in the head by pulling their head down?

[BeingAtOne]

ok its could work and it would if you train it eenough but its going to take a long time just learn to duck and cover this is faster and more effective it just makes it simple case in real life you dont know which hand throws the punch and which direction and how fast. my boxing coach of 5 years has said to me outside of the ring you have to do what is easiest and fastest nothng to complex i kow i will get some flack for this but its true. and also the best counter to a hook is another hook not a jab or a cross just a hook maybe elbow but thats it.

[EmptyneSs]

i didnt go through every post so this may of been mentioned, but if u see a hook coming to u, u can counter it. unless the person throwing the hook is utilizing perfect technique, which most people usually dont, he is going to leave his face open just enough for u to counter with a strong jab, possibly even a cross. just make sure u roll your shoulder over with your punch so it can protect the side of your head and jaw. if the hook is slow enough to see coming, just punch str8 foreward.

ducking is also fine, but id rather counter a technique and stop my opponents attack dead in his tracks instead of just evading it.