JKD vs Krav Maga?

[Hardball]

In the Jeet Kune Do you will learn to TEST your tools against (a) resisting opponent(s). For instance if we look at disarming techniques. Anyone with ANY weapon retention training at all can defeat KM disarms... If you want to learn the difference between what WILL work and what MIGHT work you need JKD...


Krav disarms will get you killed. IMO Just try it against someone with serious intent. Even a child will disengage and adjust the weapon to keep it from you or create space to use it on you. They might even hit you with their other hand or kick you back to keep the weapon. Don't count on a punch to the nose to send them reeling into some irreversable OODA loop. Not every armed attacker will be monkey trapped by your efforts to take the weapon.

To quote Coach Tripp. "KM as taught in the US is Tae Bo with an attitude"

THANK YOU,

why are these K.M. people trying to convince the world that k.M. is such a BAD ASS MARTIAL ART? And why do they insist that k.m. practicioners are Bad Asses? They have done a good job of fooling the layman, but practicing martial artist can see right through the K.M. Bullshit. My God, sometimes I hear these k.m. comments and I think I'm listenting to a Con Man running a con game on gameless Marks. LOL

[SamuraiGuy]

"If you want to learn the difference between what WILL work and what MIGHT work you need JKD..."

Statements like that... yeah that sure isnt saying your art is better... isnt that exactly what Krav Maga does....

If someone had said

"If you want to learn the difference between what WILL work and what MIGHT work you need Krav Maga..."

hardball would jump all over that saying its ape shit and hasnt been proven.. its crap.. but because its his beloved JKD its the gospel....

shit man I dont take JKD, but I've never even heard of anything to do with weapons in it.. half if not more of Krav Maga is weapons.. you guys are just talking about shit out of your asses... really....

"Krav Maga wont work, JKD will work... yeah Krav Maga is tae boe... yeah Krav Maga sucks.. "

If you guys were smart youd know the first thing a krav maga person would try to do is run away not disarm them... but oh no thats not the JKD way.

This is the JKD way: (as opposed to running away)
you have to disarm them, dominate them in a position but not hurt them because that is inferior, turn into water, fill yourself up in a cup, than a teapot, drink your own self as water, do a flip kick, place your arms firmly around Bruce Lee and Dan Insonato's nuts... than bash every other art which could rival your own.

Im not saying JKD is bad, and im not saying Krav maga is the be all and end all... they are actually very similar, take what works, get rid of anything that is useless.. you just cant see that can you...

for christs sake... you dont see people touting how American BJJ is shit because its not in brazil.

[BoarSpear]

If you guys were smart youd know the first thing a krav maga person would try to do is run away not disarm them... but oh no thats not the JKD way.

I hear this "run away" theme a lot lately ...i have a little experiment for you guys who say when someone pulls a gun or knife to run...first of all NO ONE can out run a bullet. Second try facing a training partner from 6 feet away, have him pull a rubber knife and go apeshit on you...now you turn your back to him and run...see how far you get...then back up try it from a farther distance...guess what unless he pulls the knife and starts waving it around like an idiot from 10 or more feet away you are gonna be MEAT if you turn your back and run...its a great philosophy IF you dont mind getting stabbed in the back.

the simple fact is fighting for your life sucks...fighting an opponent armed with a knife really sucks but unless you are an olympic runner you probably ought to learn what to do if forced into this situation...if your teacher still insists you should run, ask him to recommend a track coach.

[Sensei Saki]

How about earlier? Who is saying this run away theme a lot ?
Cool. I have a great botmaster.That is something I haven't heard of. And second?Enough about me, let's talk about my dress.Why now? That's good information:
said I turn my back to him and run.I see. More than one million milesInteresting deduction.
What you said was either too complex or too simple for me.I can't guess. Tell me.up try it from a farther distance is a philosophy IF you do not mind getting stabbed in the back. I suppose that makes sense.Better not tell you now.

Ask Paola
if it is.All of them?That is a hypothetical question.

[Tant01]

[QUOTE=SamuraiGuy
.....shit man I dont take JKD, but I've never even heard of anything to do with weapons in it.. half if not more of Krav Maga is weapons.. you guys are just talking about shit out of your asses... really....

"Krav Maga wont work, JKD will work... yeah Krav Maga is tae boe... yeah Krav Maga sucks.. "

If you guys were smart youd know the first thing a krav maga person would try to do is run away not disarm them... but oh no thats not the JKD way.

This is the JKD way: (as opposed to running away)
you have to disarm them, dominate them in a position but not hurt them because that is inferior, turn into water, fill yourself up in a cup, than a teapot, drink your own self as water, do a flip kick, place your arms firmly around Bruce Lee and Dan Insonato's nuts... than bash every other art which could rival your own.

Im not saying JKD is bad, and im not saying Krav maga is the be all and end all... they are actually very similar, take what works, get rid of anything that is useless.. you just cant see that can you...

for christs sake... you dont see people touting how American BJJ is shit because its not in brazil.[/QUOTE]



I know you don't know anything about JKD... If you did you might have asked if I were a "JKD" man. I'm not, I'm not a Krav Maga fan either. I know nothing is superior to anything else but in my opinion (and not just mine) KM disarms leave a good deal to assumption. It is out of my sincere desire to keep folks alive that I bring attention to the deficits of style.
There is no ONE THING that's right for everyone but there lots of WRONG things folks should know before they find out the hard way. Like if you hit your thumb with a hammer... you know it will hurt because I have told you it will hurt. But in reality you can not know just HOW BAD it hurts untill you hit your thumb with a hammer.
The principle of overwhelming violence is not unique to KM. "Dirty" fighting is not the end all be all of anything. Any Kuntao guy will tell you that teeth are just another tool of the trade.

If you want to run, RUN. That's not always an option but you can think it will save you if you wish...

[BoarSpear]

let's talk about my dress.

Now we are getting somewhere...i really think you should look into some rubber or latex....preferrably black and TIGHT

[Tant01]

"The essence of self-defense is the ability to defend oneself against an attacker using any and all necessary violence of action to end the threat against ones' life. Any weapon is just a tool that we use in defending ourselves. Whether one uses their own body, a knife or a gun to defend themselves, the principle remains the same: that to survive an attack on your life, one must realistically train and be honest with oneself about their self-defense skills."

Michael Van Blaricum

[Cyclops]

I know you don't know anything about JKD... If you did you might have asked if I were a "JKD" man. I'm not, I'm not a Krav Maga fan either. I know nothing is superior to anything else but in my opinion (and not just mine) KM disarms leave a good deal to assumption.

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Ok so if you are trained in neither, then what qualifies you to make these assumptions? And I am not askign that in a mean way. One of the things that my krav instructor always drove home was there is a difference between a gun THREAT and a gun ATTACK. If someone wants to just kill you outright, they would just shoot you and then no empty hand tactic in the world is gonna help you. You can't catch a bullet in your hand. On the other hand, someone holding a gun to your head, i.e., a gun THREAt is a different story, they are holding the gun on you either to get information, rob you, or for your body.

[Cyclops]

THANK YOU,

why are these K.M. people trying to convince the world that k.M. is such a BAD ASS MARTIAL ART? And why do they insist that k.m. practicioners are Bad Asses? They have done a good job of fooling the layman, but practicing martial artist can see right through the K.M. Bullshit. My God, sometimes I hear these k.m. comments and I think I'm listenting to a Con Man running a con game on gameless Marks. LOL

First off, I dont hear any pro KM people heare making any BAD ASS MA statements, the only people here making those statements is people like yourself. second, fooling what laymen?, I have been in MA since I was 18 years old, now suddenly I am a laymen because I spent the last year in the Israeli MA?
3rd, a few pages back you made the statement: " I am not going to disrespect Krav" No you make the claim its "bullshit" seems you cant even make up your mind from one day to the next which way to view it I guess depends on who is making the most popular statement of the day.
Next, yes I hear alot of Con Men making outrageous claims about any giving MA on any givin day, and guess what? There is not a MA in this world that doesnt have its share of fakes.

[eXcessiveForce]

Okay enough of this.

4 pages of saying the same thing over an over.

I have done both.

I prefer JKD to KM.

JKD has weapons work.
It has decent foot work,
Nice hand movement

For concepts you have even better elements.

KM,
You have conditioning,
a one size fits all approach
Reliance on overwhelming your opponent with force.

Neither of these are good for competitions,

depending on your level both could be an improvement to your self defense skills.