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    JFJKD;JKDU... Disappointment or is it amusement.....

    Hi to all and firstly a note to all, don't constrew this into me being as some ego driven person trying to show up people and the such... as I honestly feel as if on the outside looking in, a lot of the time, seeing so many people trying to force something from themselves when all they need is to let themselves go.

    Now back onto it...

    I am 30 years of age this coming april and am a 150 - 160 pound caucasion and have been studying martial arts on a broad scale for about 21 years. Now in this time I can say that I fell prisoner to many of the "styles" constraints, believing one thing better than another and all the time never really gaining true knowing of my own artistic abilities. In my late teens I began to realise that despite all that I had learnt had done for me was nothing more than tune me into the mechanical reactor as planned by the styles/techniques, so instead of continuing with any particular style I stopped from study to try to find out where I had gone wrong and why I was so slow and sluggish in my movements, I then turned back to Jun Fans knoweldge in order to try to know it for myself and after some time (I can say years of thought went into it) I discovered something within myself that I can not bring into words with full meaning but to simplify it the best way I can... I feel energy charge my body almost upon every thought my mind conveys which feels like a jolt of electricity surging along every nerve in my body and releasing into every muscle. Like taking an electrical jolt from the mains yet there is no pain, just a feeling of strength and well damn it feels good to put it really plainly, also giving me the desire and ability to strive for anything with no boundries or obstructions.

    Now why did I post all that about myself ????

    Because... I am really getting frustrated at how so many people associated with Jun Fans teachings have either misinterpreted, lost, forgotten or merely held back their true meanings.

    Lose the styles and techniques people, the only way to be 100% with yourself and everything around you is to forget about planned stratergies and techniques and instead go back and look at the simpliscity of yourself. Be natural, feel natural... stop trying to conform to some style or technique of doing something even the "so called" style of Jun Fans Jeet Kune Do... damn that "style" is such a contradiction of itself as conveyed by a lot of people.

    Be Free!

    Get off the ego trip ride of trying to be the greatest or best at something etc etc. For example, I can honestly say that since I started my journey along the path toward freedom into and out of myself with Jun Fans teachings as my guide, I can say that confrontation is either solved out of combat which is the calmer approach, or, if it does come about due to who knows what, then it only lasts at most a few seconds (holding back will ultimately slow your advance) with thinking combining with movement to become one. I do not ever plan an attack or a defence, but I am aware of both, not seperately, but as one. I do not ever go looking for fights or violence but I will defend myself and my loved ones with all that is me. Otherwise I only strive to understand and know myself to the fullest and let myself do what I do best.... Move, Think and Be! I also do not enter tournaments nor do I actively seek competition in any form to express my abilities, why should I, the only person I have something to prove to is myself and so it should be with any person, its not a popularity contest or a competition of ability, but an understanding and freeing of ones self.

    ... Let nature take its course in a combat, don't try to predict the outcome of a fight or you will surely be punished by the unexpected. If you are meant to win, it will become apparent after the fight not during.


    Whoa down... where am I going now, I think I'm taking you to far in now so I shall leave it at that for now with a hope that the many of you out there not following the true teachings of Jun Fan will awaken to your mistakes and truely begin to strive toward true freedom within yourself and from yourself.

    Freedom to all...

    PS: sorry for the length of it, that was as short as I could make it...
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great post

it's very hard to put into words the kind of freedom you are discussing, as it's experiential. I have learned this same lesson youare discussing in other aspects of my life. I can't say I feel a big electric charge with my thoughts..perhaps I'm just not sensitive in that aspect.

in truth, I'd like to hear more of what you have to say on this subject..

[Edited by quietanswer on 01-04-2001 at 09:17 AM]

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  • #3
    Great post. I think it really points out the fact that JKD and martial arts in general are about individuals not style. It's especially poignant because of all the confusion over JKD being a style or lack of style. I think the most important aphorism in the Tao of JKD is the last one. If people say Jeet Kune Do is different from "this" or "that", then let the name of Jeet Kune Do be wiped out, for that is what it is, just a name. Please don't fuss over it.

    Also Linda Lee's words in the introduction make a lot of sense. ...open your mind and read, understand, and experience, and when you've reached that point, discard this book. The pages are best used for cleaning up a mess - as you will see.

    I teach martial arts and used to call it a JKD class, but after realizing that art is a personal thing I no longer have a need for such labels. I have transcended JKD which is the ultimate goal in JKD.

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      • #4
      I agree that those quotes are some of the best in the book.
      Both hit the spirit right on the head.

      another favorite is the often quoted (i butcher it here) "when i started, a punch was just a punch and a kick was just a kick. as I learned, a punch became a hook, jab, backfist..now that I have learned, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick again".

      that's far more wordy than the original, but it's his main point, nonetheless. Man is that quote ever true. I saw it hitting the heavy bag one day. I was working jabs, but as the bag came into close range while it was moving, My intended jab somehow became a hook all on it's own. It took about 3 times before I saw it happenning. it had force, and power..it was fundamentally correct. yet I wasn't thinking about throwing a hook.

      it's something that doesn't go into words easily.

      It was like..a forward hook of sorts. Like hooking a guy with your rear right arm, while stepping to the forward left triangle point.. you hit him with kind of a straight/forward hook. it's still a circular punch, it's just you've sidestepped the man, so it hits him straight into his face. does that make sense?
      it was weird to discover that on accident. that throwing jabs, I could turn it into a hook without even trying or thinking about it. I think my elbow raised and everything

      a punch is just a punch.



      [Edited by quietanswer on 01-04-2001 at 11:36 AM]

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      • #5
        I've noticed the stage of ingnorance,knowledge and back to ignorance, the learning to forget, is common to a lot of things. I'm a musician and when training my ear at first something sounds weird and complex because I don't know it well. Then I start to dissect it and really understand it. Once you've gone past that point the information becomes part of you and you, at least on a concious level, forget about it. It just flows through you. In the second stage things still take effort, but once you forget, effort is your enemy. You don't have to do anything but let your sense of self conciousness step aside and your body will do the rest according to it's training. That unity of mind and body is one of the reasons people enjoy artistic pursuits and it can be a beautiful thing whether it's a beautiful song or a perfectly timed left hook.

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          • #6
          what do you play, evilution. I play analog synths, keys, and do some sequencing.

          I found my musical training has helped me in a lot of ways with fighting. I wasn't surprised when I found the thai classes I attended had a drummer at almost each class. It didn't take much for me to learn to use the rhythmn. Throwing a punch on or off beat isn't much different from striking a key on or off beat. breaking up someone elses' rhythmn is the same whether you are talking about doing it within fighting or within music. If you pick up a guitar, and start playing a particular song..I can try to make you screw up with my keyboard. It's not too hard to transfer that knowledge to fighting, especially if you've been in a band that plays original music, and jams frequently to come up with more.

          I often find parallels between fight training and musicianship. Expression is expression no matter the media chosen, as far as I've seen.

          [Edited by quietanswer on 01-05-2001 at 10:16 AM]

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          • #7
            Hi again and hes off to a good start, around the first bend now........ ooops, ok ok, on with it then hehe sheesh I have to provide motivation and humour to overcome boredom from the reader at some time or another do I not or is it merely to humour myself .... hmmm ? :P


            Freedom can not be placed upon one aspect of anything, freedom is just that, free in every aspect and no aspect of everything and nothing, it is the embodyment of yourself and all that is, to be sleeping yet always awake, to think and not to think, to be one and all, to just be, freedom WILL find you, you just have to let it.

            Like finding your balance in a stance when training, so to must you find balance with yourself, everything and nothing.

            To describe it as electricity flowing through me upon every thought is but an attempt at putting into words that which can not be described.

            Another attempt...

            Find ones true self, now thats where it gets tricky on the logical plane of thought as each will percieve it to begin...

            A way to put finding ones self into words, hmm...

            The mind and body are always one, they are never apart from each other, with out the mind, the body is merely a complex collection of elements, and so, without the body, the mind is merely a static pulse of electricity. It is the combination of both that creates physical movement, feelings, emotions and the such... This also can lead to statements such as... "but wouldnt that mean that when death comes the two are seperated and hence are no longer one ?"... etc etc in many ways of saying it... but to continue... Finding ones self is to let go of that which we call the mind and body and stop striving for them to be one, they are already one, instead strive to be one with them and yet be apart from them, you are your mind, you are your body, at the same time you are everything and nothing.

            Now to fathom that in the constraints of what we call logic is impossible, it defies all scientific law and yet compliments them at the same time... well something like that.



            Oh yes the surges... Well now if you have think on the above a while you may begin to understand that the description is meant to say that its like waking up and smelling the coffee to everything that is you and that which you thought wasnt you... Like when you hurt your self you feel the pain or when you train hard you feel it, so to you feel everything else, every movement, every thought, everything. You just have to become aware of it.

            Now thats not to its fullest as I would have to go onto to try to explain about letting yourself free of the feelings and awareness of ones mere self and opening up to pure awareness of everything and nothing and so on.............

            Ah music, an exellent way many great musicians have described how music affects a person is how they talk of letting yourself become the music or instrument, put many ways, letting yourself go in the moment, flowing with the tune, feeling the music, being the instrument... and so on, sound familiar do they not. Well of course they do because they like all other "ways" have their roots in the same soil. Finding truth, ones self, everything, nothing, everyone, no one, flow where there is opposition.

            Remember bruce didn't want to teach people martial arts to make them great in the "way" of martial arts, instead he used the martial arts as a key to help awaken people to the beauty that they hold within themself and to stop holding back, to ultimately be anything, everything and nothing, to just be. I think at some time he described the mind and body as just a tool, with this tool we must try to learn who we really are, not find the impression of who we want to be or think we are which are only deceptive visions that cloud our reality... well maybe thats not word for word, but then Bruce was Bruce and I am me, to take something literally is to conform and so on...


            A name is merely a brand, the name itself does nothing, it is what lies beneath the name that matters, yes it is true what he said. Like what you see everyday, where people buy something, eat something or do something because of a name, title or whatever its face and advertisement uses those names to further something using those "names", rarely do we see something that is advertised for what it truely is.

            The debate, arguement or whatever you may call it, over the "name" Jeet Kune Do, as far as I see it, has been ongoing even before Jun Fans passing. Like he noted, "I think I have chosen the name to soon" ... again maybe not word for word but close enough...

            It's like a your keys you use just about every day, it consists of, key ring(s), house key, car key, padlock key, etc etc. We "brand" it the "name" 'a set of keys' or 'keys', again a "name" which eg. english teaches us that they are the plural of a singular, but, if we look closer at them we see that they do not describe the whole, only the keys, instead we intend it to mean, keys, key ring, key ring ornaments or whatever else that may be included.

            Don't concentrate on the name, don't let that which we place upon something in hope of describing it blind you from its truth, its beauty, its everything, its nothing.
            Like he said "its like a finger point away from you into the night sky, but, don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the glory and beauty of the stars" .. yep again maybe not exact but still I am me...


            Whoops, I have just read back on my post and again rather large, sorry, but when opening yourself up, when speaking without saying, the words just tend to come from as you could say ... nowhere hehe.

            Oh one last note before I end up turning this post into a novel or something hehe...

            About the "jabbing" turning into the "hook" without intention, when you let go then anything and everything can come from anywhere and everywhere, it is merely the fact that you let yourself go for a brief moment from the constraints of the repetitive form of the "jabbing". Unlike the punching bag the opponent does not swing idly back and forth or side to side waiting for you to "jab" at him, far from it.

            Also to note... when working on a punching bag, no one "jab" is ever the same (you will notice this when watching someone training, they constantly have to setup or get into position to suit where the bag will be in order to make the "jab" successful as the "style" conforms you to or does it...
            In reality the "jab" is no longer just a "jab" but a "set" of simple movements all combined to enable you to react in the appropriate manner and so through adaptation and not conformation the "jab" is lost and the "strike" is born, yes it may be given a different name like "hook" etc but ultimately it is just a "strike" that came from you and not from the contraints of some "style"... maybe that twisted a bit and maybe not


            Ok thats all or it may bore some... one of the few traps that man must surpass.

            til next time, will there be a next time, was there a previous time ??? hehe... down, me, down.

            later...

            **Don't search for an answer, nor think about an answer, just know!
            There is no one true answer!**

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            • #8
              There is only one martial art. Any style just packages a segement of the totality. If you can see the big picture, then you can use the appropriate part at the appropriate time.

              If it scores and does its job than it was the correct technique.

              All fighting is a transfer of physical power (straight out, or curving).

              That's what jkd is all about.

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              • #9
                Originally posted by gungfuhero
                There is only one martial art. Any style just packages a segement of the totality. If you can see the big picture, then you can use the appropriate part at the appropriate time.

                If it scores and does its job than it was the correct technique.

                All fighting is a transfer of physical power (straight out, or curving).

                That's what jkd is all about.

                Another light from out of the darkness

                now you are looking in the right directions, stay on the path...

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